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Philosophy of copyright and libertarian arguments against intellectual property

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  1. rocketsjudoka

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    There is certainly plenty of room to decide what things should have patent protection and what shouldn't and as previously discussed how long intellectual property protections are in place. My main argument is the idea that intellectual property shouldn't exist because ideas aren't scarce.

    Further the basis of the scarcity argument as been put forward here on this thread is that material assets like land or iron ore are scarce and as such recognized as property and deserve property protection rights. The argument that intellectual property shouldn't be subject to the same rights for the greater good or society, in this case IBM is acting like the Godfather, and that should be addressed by doing away with their intellectual property rights, that also does apply to material assets. For example a frequent corrupt tactic is to make sure a market is dependent on certain suppliers such as forcing a restaurant to buy at inflated prices from a particular vendor. That is why we have laws in place to prevent coercion like that but also property rights for material assets aren't considered absolute. Property can be taken by eminent domain and things like easements can restrict property rights. The difference between how intellectual property and material property isn't quite as clear cut when it comes to restricting and even taking them.
     
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    The issue is that it the point you making is indeterminate. If a publisher hates Cuomo, and wants to punish him, they will rationalize it as making an economic decision to help their publishing company in the long run.

    A publisher may deem that being associated with Cuomo is bad for business, but taking a stand against him is good.

    Point is, that it's a very slippery area you've entered because you are getting into the nuts and bolts of how do you determine someone's intentions and whether or not a decision is a business decision or a personal one. I would think this is mess that libertarians would never want to step into.
     
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    Anthropic Agrees to Pay at Least $1.5 Billion in Landmark Copyright Settlement
    The proposed agreement with authors covers 500,000 works that were pirated and used to train AI models

    https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/anthrop...b?st=cAhREr&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

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    Artificial intelligence company Anthropic agreed to pay at least $1.5 billion to settle a copyright infringement lawsuit over its use of pirated books to train large-language models.

    Lawyers for plaintiffs said in a court filing Friday that, if approved, the proposed settlement would be the largest of its kind.

    The settlement could influence the outcome of pending litigation between other media companies and AI firms, and may push the tech companies to seek licensing agreements with content owners whose works are considered vital for training purposes.

    The federal suit, filed in California last summer by three authors, alleged that Anthropic violated copyright laws by using millions of pirated works to train its Claude AI models and tried to cover up its copyright theft.

    A judge ruled in June that Anthropic could use books for training in some circumstances, as the models were turning the material into something entirely new. But the judge also found that the “fair use” argument didn’t cover more than seven million books that Anthropic obtained from known ebook piracy sites.

    Lawyers for both sides said late last month they had reached a preliminary settlement, but didn’t disclose terms.

    The proposed settlement covers around 500,000 books. The case was initially filed by writers Andrea Bartz, Charles Graeber and Kirk Wallace Johnson, and was granted class certification in July.
    more at the link
     
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    LOL. Anthropic was lazy. If they had trained their models using the same materials obtained through legitmate sources, they would be fine. This is still a win for AI companies.


    A judge ruled in June that Anthropic could use books for training in some circumstances, as the models were turning the material into something entirely new. But the judge also found that the “fair use” argument didn’t cover more than seven million books that Anthropic obtained from known ebook piracy sites.
     

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