[Philly Inquirer] Trade rumors swirling around 76ers' Iguodala(McGrady)

Great! Us too! Now, how do you propose we do that? By letting McGrady expire and using the chump change of 7 million to re-sign our own guys Scola and Lowry? Are we going to be an actual contender by bringing back the exact same team we've had over the last few years? I didn't think so either.

 

Rudy Gay>AI9

 

he's overpaid. he was paid based on potential he hasn't reached. but he's still a good player. he's tough, active, aggressive, durable, likes to defend, and is not afraid to take big shots. if he only had an outside shot, he'd be worth his contract, but he doesn't.

 

confused. first off lewis is overpaid. vince is overpaid. they are good players not superstars. superstar =wades level
.iggys production is in the same level with rashard and vince, but just because orlando and philly overpaid for them, doesnt mean the rockets should

what morey i think is trying to do,is have a scale of balancing salary vs production

scola and landry and brooks are giving us more production than the salary they are getting paid
.tmac is giving us less production than what he is being paid
.iggy would be giving us about equal or even less production on what he gets paid

i know you get what you pay for, but with yao and tmac overpaid,and luxury tax, we cant "overpay" for anyone

ariza imo way overpaid for his limited production

 

compared to the other bad contracts, no he isnt. your right, compared to vince carter he isnt overpaid

however,compared to brooks,scola,battier,budinger, iggy is overpaid

depends how you look at it.

 

Agreed. Gay is much younger.

What the rockets should do is trading Battier or Ariza for expiring contract + 1st round pick. So, this offeason they will have enough cap space to sign a star player (e.g., Gay). Plus, we will have two 1st round picks to draft good rookies.

 

I can see how people have a problem with Iggy's salary but at some point this team has to go after real talent and that means spending money. You're not going to get what he gives you for cheap. If you're lucky enough to draft that type of player all you're doing is paying the guy cheaply while he develops and then losing him once they are ready for a pay day (unless you pay them). You'll see that when it's time to pay Landry and Brooks.

I'm also wondering how so many people said things like "if McGrady is 80% of what he used to be then he can lead us in the playoffs" yet they don't want Iggy at $8 million less a year. Iguodala is certainly at least 80% of the old McGrady except he actually plays EVERY SINGLE GAME.

We're not going to win going cheap and we're not landing any of the big four in free agency so it's time to start thinking about whether or not we want to make a run over the next 3 years with Yao or start from scratch. The latter makes absolutely no sense to me when this team is already loaded with talented role players.

 

Well I know for a fact that tying 60 million into Iggy isn't going to get it done. How about you genious?

 

There are two sides of the court. Rudy only plays on one.

 

give me a sec. let me prove my point. my point is andre iguodala compared to the AVERAGE nba salary IS NOT OVERPAID. you could be right, compared to landry brooks hes overpaid(even then I disagree with him being overpaid compared to brooks landry). but man theres no way we can include rookie-scale in these comparisons. otherwise brandon roy is only making $3,910,816 right now..

here I'll give u some legit argument.....let me find some chartsq

 

you don't know that for a fact because it hasn't happened. you're speculating based on your opinion. call a spade a spade at least.

 

Your signature: AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT SEES WHATS REALLY GOING ON.WE DON'T WHAT TO WIN THIS YEAR.DM AND RA ARE NOT THIS INCOMPETENT.THINK PEOPLE.THIS DRAFT IS DEEP WITH BIGS WITH SIZE

Your signature fixed: Am I the only one that sees what's really going on? We don't want to win this year. D.M. and R.A. are not this incompetent. Think people. This draft is deep with bigs and size.

Although riddled with punctuation, grammar, and spelling errors. At the heart of what you're trying to say........you still manage to be very wrong.

 

How do you know that for a fact when you've never seen if it can work? You're telling me that there is absolutely no way the Rockets would be contenders with one of the better backup Centers in the league backing up Yao, a starting two guard who plays hard on both ends of the floor (and is among the leagues best), and a backup/starting PG that may rival Brooks in offensive ability?

What is your backup plan if that's the best offer the Rockets receive? To let McGrady expire? Then what? You're the one that said you wanted to be a contender for the next five years and begged us for some vision.. by all means, please share your vision?

 

i have a problem with this part of what you said Dave. everyone here knows i really, really dislike McGrady, so hopefully you can appreciate the context in which i'm about to say this: McGrady's skillset is so unique and impressive that he is definitely worth what he is paid. only the elite of the elite can do what McGrady can do. even other superstars with similar stats (lets take paul pierce as an example) can only do some of the things that McGrady can. He's a threat from anywhere in the gym (although not crazy accurate), he's got long arms and a lot of height, the handles and court awareness of a point guard, and a ton of athleticism to put that all to use. Iguodala isn't in that tier of player, not even one step down from there, but probably in that next tier with other players with significant holes in their game. he does a lot of things well, don't get me wrong, but you can't compare many people to the skillset that McGrady brings to the table. only the best.

 

Andre Iguodala Is NOT Overpaid

There are plenty of things you can say about Andre Iguodala. You can say he's one of the best all-around players in the league. You can say he is not a true superstar. You can say he's not a good shooter. You can say he's one of the best finishers in the game. There's some truth in all of those statements, but mostly they're simply opinions. Opinions are fine. That is not up for debate is whether Iguodala is overpaid, he simply is not.

This chart pretty much sums it up. What you're looking at is the top 21 players over the past 4 seasons sorted by win shares, their salaries this season and where their salaries rank on this list (not where their salaries rank league-wide).



You can read up on win shares here. Basically, it's a catch-all stat that attempts to translate tangible stats into wins produced for your team. Personally, I think Iguodala's value is actually higher than his win share total because most of his defensive contributions are not reflected, only his steals and blocks.

Take a look at the names on that list, Iguodala belongs there. He's #20 in win shares over the time period, and #18 in salary of the 21. The guy is NOT overpaid. There's more to this game than pure point-per-game measurements. If you insist on using nothing more than basic stats, you can look up all the players who have averaged 19 points, 5 boards and 5 assists per game over the past 4 seasons. There are three names on the list, Iguodala, Kobe and LeBron.

It would've been great if he was earning less money, but the fact of the matter is that Iguodala would've been an outright bargain at a lower figure. He and his agent fought for and got the contract he earned. The fact that he paid more than you would've liked does not mean he's overpaid. And as for the he signed a albatross contract, that's simply not the case either. Iguodala could've played for the qualifying offer and become an unrestricted free agent this past summer. Meaning, he'd probably be making more money than he is right now if he decided to join in the 2010 fun and get a max deal from the likes of Bulls or Clippers or whoever misses out on the Lebron-wade-bosh-amare chase. If Amare deserves what hes paid....then iguodala is worth that and more

 

for the winshare newbies.....this is where u can read up about itI think its somewhat more encapsulating compared to PER

http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ws.html

 

I nearly left the McGrady part out of my post. I just think that it's been so long since THAT McGrady existed that it's fair to say Iguodala is 80% of what McGrady was even before last season. In fact, it sounds like you are talking about a rookie's potential when you talk of McGrady because it's been so long since he has consistently put to use any of those gifts you mentioned.

Is Iggy the play-maker McGrady was? No but he's a better (or at least more willing) slasher than Mcgrady has ever been. He's also leaps and bounds better defensively. Add that he's a better than average playmaker at the SG position and the fact that he plays every game and I think the comparison of what both guys contribute (or contributed in McGrady's case) is fair.

McGrady gave this team 22/5/6 in his last "healthy" season here (where he only played 66 games). Iguodala is currently putting up 18/7/6 and hasn't missed a game in a few years. I think it's fair to compare the two especially when salaries are considered.

You will get no argument from me that prime McGrady was a much, much better player than prime Iguodala but that doesn't really impact my argument.

 

how sad are you going to be when you find out that iggy has been traded to the mavericks?

good chance of that happening. i still think we end up with nocioni/martin. (based on prior relationship with kings,and prior rumor last year and this summer on martin/tmac)

i think we do tmac/budinger for martin/nocioni/2nd rd pk

then brooks/landry for amare

lowry/conroy
kevin martin/taylor
ariza/battier/nocioni
amare/scola/
yao/hayes/anderson

payroll HUGE but we would have our three superstars. martin close to one.

we already know for a fact kings asked for tmac for martin nocioni,we know they are both on block. we know rockets had a deal in place last yr for amare for brooks/landry. these 2 trades could actually happen if les wants to pay lux tax.

 

link?

 

well said, and you're right.

the major difference is that if Iggy is your SG, who takes the last shot when you're down by 2 or 3 with 5 seconds left? if your answer is still Brooks, then I think that's a problem at Iggy's salary level. if you are convinced that
Iggy can do it, then you make the move.

the best teams all have a guy who can get a good shot when you need a good shot. they wont always make it but they'll win or lose on a good shot. tmac could do that. brooks can do that, sometimes. not sure about iggy.