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[Philly Inquirer] Trade rumors swirling around 76ers' Iguodala(McGrady)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by RocketsPimp, Jan 28, 2010.

  1. desi tmac91

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    So Houston is now willing to take on Dalembert? Still doesn't do much especially after the reports of the Sixers not just wanting expirings.
     
  2. rterry

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    My apologies. You are correct. Here is the explanation:

    Teams are restricted from trading away future first round draft picks in consecutive years. This is known as the "Ted Stepien Rule." Stepien owned the Cavs from 1980-83, and made a series of bad trades (such as the above-mentioned 1982 trade) that cost the Cavs several years' first round picks. As a result of Stepien's ineptitude, teams are now prevented from making trades which might leave them without a first round pick in consecutive future years.

    The Stepien rule applies only to future first round picks. For example, if this is the 2005-06 season, then a team can trade its 2006 first round pick without regard to whether they had traded their 2005 pick, since their 2005 pick is no longer a future pick. But they can't trade away both their 2006 and 2007 picks, since both are future picks. Teams sometimes work around this rule by trading first round picks in alternate years.

    These rules often combine to make trade terms very complicated. For example, if a team owes another team two future first round picks, and both picks are protected, then the first pick would be conveyed in the first draft in which it is not a Protected Pick (as described above), and the second pick would be conveyed in the "First Allowable Draft" (per the Stepien rule) or subsequent draft, in which that pick is not a Protected Pick. But since both picks must be conveyed within seven years, the protection on the first pick cannot last more than four years (i.e., the first pick must be conveyed by the fifth year).

    Other rules that pertain to trading draft picks:

    Any or all teams in a trade may be granted the one-time option to defer the conveyance or receipt of a pick for one year (only). For example, a trade between Miami and Orlando that includes Miami's 2009 first round draft pick might provide Miami with the option to defer the pick to 2010. In addition:
    A team can exercise a pick deferment only once.
    The conveyance of a pick can be deferred for only one year.
    A Protected Pick (as described above) cannot be deferred.
    The deferment is subject to the Seven Year Rule. A pick in the seventh year following a trade cannot be deferred.
    Teams are required to have only a first round pick, and not necessarily their first round pick. So teams may trade away their own future picks in consecutive years if they have another team's first round pick in one of those years.
    A team cannot sign and immediately trade a draft pick in a sign-and-trade arrange
     
  3. rockets934life

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    Really? Now that's interesting and would then use it as another asset asap! First rd picks this yr in a deep draft may carry some stock.
     
  4. Mango

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    I think that is correct.

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    73. How are draft picks handled in trades?

    <i>Teams are restricted from trading away future first round draft picks in consecutive years. This is known as the "Ted Stepien Rule." Stepien owned the Cavs from 1980-83, and made a series of bad trades (such as the above-mentioned 1982 trade) that cost the Cavs several years' first round picks. As a result of Stepien's ineptitude, teams are now prevented from making trades which might leave them without a first round pick in consecutive future years.

    The Stepien rule applies only to future first round picks. For example, if this is the 2005-06 season, then a team can trade its 2006 first round pick without regard to whether they had traded their 2005 pick, since their 2005 pick is no longer a future pick. But they can't trade away both their 2006 and 2007 picks, since both are future picks. Teams sometimes work around this rule by trading first round picks in alternate years.

    These rules often combine to make trade terms very complicated. For example, if a team owes another team two future first round picks, and both picks are protected, then the first pick would be conveyed in the first draft in which it is not a Protected Pick (as described above), and the second pick would be conveyed in the "First Allowable Draft" (per the Stepien rule) or subsequent draft, in which that pick is not a Protected Pick. But since both picks must be conveyed within seven years, the protection on the first pick cannot last more than four years (i.e., the first pick must be conveyed by the fifth year).</i>

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  5. LifeisButaDream

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    Noooooooooooooo :mad:
     
  6. ivenovember

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    Apparently you we're wrong though, way to look intelligent by trying to answer my question in such a bold manner.
     
  7. W22_STREAK

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    we want to keep our first rounder and get a few more if we can. we've traded away 3 out of the last 4 first rounders, I think its great to keep our own now this draft is so deep and we could really get a good big man out of this
     
  8. rterry

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    Sorry didn't mean to offend. I did look it up and admitted I was wrong and provided an explanation for others that may have had the same misconception as myself.
     
  9. LifeisButaDream

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    If DM trades are pick we better be geting a superstar. :mad:
     
  10. rockets934life

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    Yea but I think the deadline will be telling because if we can get a real nice player out of TMAC a 1st rd pick will be key in that sort of deal and I imagine with Yao being in the final yr of his deal we are going to go for "IT" so the pick may go bye bye.

    It was a mistake chill out, I made the same. NBA rules on trades, salary cap transactions and FAgency are pretty complicated so mistake can and often do occur which is why its good to have knowledgeable posters who can clear those misconceptions up.
     
  11. ivenovember

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    I don't mind you being wrong, I just asked for clarification of the rules and a link so I could read it for myself but you gave pretty bold answer there, its all cool though.
     
  12. Someguy1229

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    "A source told ESPN.com on Wednesday that the Houston Rockets have recently renewed discussions with the 76ers about a deal involving Iguodala and Dalembert for the expiring contract of Tracy McGrady."

    F*** yeah! Git er done Morey!!!
     
  13. Egghead

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    according to a reliable source on the sixers real gm board....

    for some reason i cant see anything on page 46 of this thread....it freezes up when i try to open it so i havent seen any posts or questions from that thread...maybe someone can copy and paste.

    I saw chad ford has an interesting article up on espn..basically made it sound like suns are still in play and our talks have reopened with houston(which i havent heard).

    http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=978960&start=690
     
  14. rterry

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    Cool. Now back to the matter at hand. If we are committed to trying to get this thing done with Yao as our centerpiece then we have a very short window to accomplish it. Given that I would be willing to trade our first rounder and a significant asset such as Landry or Scola along with T-Mac for either the Washington deal or Amare. I would hold out on the Philly deal because I think they will get desperate near the trade deadline and throw in either a future 1st or a young asset. Of course, Les will have to pay the piper for at least part of next year and suffer the lux tax this year (I think).

    I personally would like us to offer Yao straight up for a resigned Bosh or Yao, Scola and a first for a re-signed Bosh if necessary and then go after the Phili deal. Toronto I think would bite on that deal, but I don't see Les ever giving up on the Yao experiment.
     
  15. ivenovember

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    We can't trade Yao, ever, ever, ever. The amounts of money Yao brings in to the organization is incredible. Les doesn't mind spending money, but trading Yao is like throwing away bags full of cash. It's not worth it to trade him from a business standpoint. The only player that you could trade Yao for that mighttt make sense from a business stand point is Lebron, but that's not happening.
     
  16. LifeisButaDream

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    Why not does it the cavs have a Chinese owner. :eek:
     
  17. rterry

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    That is the popular sentiment. I said I didn't think Les would do it, but if Yao becomes a broken down player or we cannot compete for a championship because he can't lead us to the promise land eventually those bags of cash will go away. How much money is enough money? I would like to think that winning is more important, but I know that is probably naive.
     
  18. ivenovember

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    Les loves to win, don't get me wrong. But he owns this franchise because sometime in his life he made some good business decisions. I don't see him sacrificing multi-millions just to have a good chance at the championship. Paying a couple million for Luxury Tax is one thing, giving up many millions of dollars a year, is another. Tmac almost (even though I still think he did) got voted into the All Star game because of the influence of China, those people buy a lot of jerseys and memorabilia and bring in a lot of money to the Rockets organization.
     
  19. ivenovember

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    If Lebron said tomorrow that there is 0% chance of him resigning with the Cavs and we offered Yao/Landry/1st round pick, or something, then, maybe they would do it, but that's still a maybe.
     
  20. W22_STREAK

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    Man hell yea. no more shane battiers for my lottery pick please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     

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