[Philly Inquirer] Trade rumors swirling around 76ers' Iguodala(McGrady)

What? LOL - it is Clanton's fault Yao is 310 pounds and 7'6" tall?

Come on.....Yao is unique and the pressures and strains his feet undergo are unique......

This was just bad luck....nothing more.

DD

 

Ok I've watched both Butler and Iggy play a lot recently and while I agree with a lot of people who think Iggy is a better player at a younger age I really don't see that much of a difference to justify taking on a much longer contract over a cap friendly one. Their numbers are almost identical with the exception of Iggy's assist being much higher but in contrast Butler's FT% is a lot better, so numbers wise its pretty much equal with a slight edge to Iggy. Butler is older and injury issues are a bit more of a concern but certainly not an old man and again we come back to being a way more favorable contract for his production. Another fact is Dalmbert or Haywood, I think Haywood is a better player and much better considering his cost and contract length(expiring). Overall I can't see Morey going for Iggy when a viable alternate is staring him the face in a player we already know he tried to get before.

 

Well, not that a CP3 trade is likely but the obvious line of thinking here would be us absorbing some nasty deals (i.e. Peja, Posey) and giving up some sort of package of Brooks, McGrady, picks and whatever else. That type of deal won't kill us in the surrounding talent department. But generally speaking, I agree that barring something unforeseen, a top ten player isn't walking through our door. The best we can hope for are these second banana types with obvious limitations (Iggy, K-Mart, etc) that their losing teams feel aren't worth the $10-12M to hang around while the teams are in the basement. This type of situation really happens quite often: Team A realizes Player X isn't capable of carrying the team, gets sick of having to pay top dollar while losing so they decide to move on. For that reason, I really hope Morey is sticking to his hardball approach and not letting teams think they're going to get multiple assets from us as if they're the ones doing us the favor here.

This here is the source of our disagreement. You obviously feel he takes us to a whole new level while I would consider the improvement to be marginal -- at least without Yao in the picture. In the meantime, we would be paying Dalembert's trade kicker, stuck in LT land and all the while striving for what....a first round exit? I'm not trying to be pessimistic here, just trying to be realistic. I don't think Iggy/Dalembert could take this team past the first round and for that reason it makes all the added cash spent this year squandered money right out of LA's pocket. Which, again, is unfair to ask. We all can play armchair GM when nobody is sticking their hands in your pocket, but once the situations are reversed things start to change.

(And not to sound hypocritical given the fact that CP3 is likely done for the season and how we would still have to bite that bullet -- but we're talking about CP3 here. When one of the best players in the league is on the table your standards and agenda have to change)

 

I hate to break it to you knote32 but I think this trade as another poster wrote, "has left the building".

 

LOL I love this time of year. Nothing will problem until the very day of the deadline, and I'd bet the trade will be nothing more than a WTF? to set us under the luxury tax. Can't wait for summer.

On another note, has anyone heard any good things about David Anderson, specifically is he learning the NBA game enough to be a legit, solid back-up for Yao next season? Why overpay for a Dalembert or Haywood if Anderson can do it for MUCH cheaper? I think Morey made that deal for good reason and I think these random trade ideas are neglecting the fact we have the guy.

Then again, maybe 3 7 footers isn't such a bad idea.

 

I totally agree with you when you say "To play with the big boys, you need to pay with the big boys."

Boston is paying Garnett (16.4mil), Allen (19.7mil), and Pierce (19.7mil) = 56mil Total for 3 highest Players.

LA is paying 23mil for Kobe, 16mil for Gasol, 12mil for Bynum = 51mil Total for 3 highest players.

With the AI+Dalembert Trade we'd have...
YAO (16mil), Iggy (12mil), Dalembert (11mil) = 39mil for 3 highest players.

That payroll-even though its far less than what the "big boys" are paying, don't even COMPARE to Boston or LA players. And it doesnt include the guaranteed contract we'd be locked in for the next 4-5 years.

A few weeks ago, i would have loved this trade (AI+DALEMBERT) to go down, but the more i read and think about the salary cap hell we'd be in for a BACKUP center, Above Avg (at best SG/SF), and YAO doesnt seem to be smartest idea.

We'd clear up a lot of space this summer with possibly 2 contracts expiring (Haywood+Miller/James). Maybe sign an avg to above avg FA.

The way our team is made up, I really dont think we need a player of SUPER-STAR caliber. I keep thinking about the Detroit Pistons without any "SUPERSTARS", or the SA Spurs with Tim Duncan (1 superstar with above avg players - Parker and Manu).

If we somehow can hold on to Landry, Scola, and Lowry...
FA's that have a better likelyhood to sign here this offseason:

Ray Allen
Raymond Felton
Raja Bell
Marcus Camby
Udonis Haslem
Jermaine Oneal
Al Harrington
Travis Outlaw
Manu Ginobili
Brandon Haywood
Mike Miller

I dont think any of these players make us INSTANT contenders but definitely would solidify our team and give us some flexibility for the future.

I personally would like a Raja Bell signing.. an above avg defender, and a great shooter. He's only making 5mil this year and i'm sure we can sign him for Mid-level or less. I doubt he'll be looking for a big time payday and would fit with our team concept.

Then possibly bring in Brandon Haywood as well as a backup to Yao. Another above avg post/paint defender and a great shot blocker.

Clearly the team right now, as is, is not a title contender. With a trade, it still wont be a title contender, but will make us a better team overall (possibly another 2nd round exit?) Why give up so much to gain so little this year? This is why DM didnt attempt to sign anyone to help ONLY THIS YEAR... we're clearly beginning to NOT REBUILD but instead, beginning (or trying) to RELOAD.

 

Only 14 more days to go!!!!!!

 

I really didn't want to post the entire article, but ESPN states that according to some source, yesterday the Rockets re-opened conversations with Philly about Iggy. (Chad Ford listed 20 players most likely to be moved.)

 

Nice and simple.

Iggy/Dally/Speights/Philly's 2nd rounder in

McGrady, Cook, Taylor, Dorsey, our first rounder out.

 

Oh just when Reeko and RedRowdy had all but convinced themselves Iggy was a bad option. Good thing those looney tunes don't run the organization.

 

I gotta think if we trade with Philli it has to be a 3 way, if we can find a destination for Dalembert (Blazers?). No way Les pays so much luxury tax otherwise, nor should he unless its for top 10 talent. Maybe something like TMAC + Bud + Batum? + picks (from Portland and/or Houston) going to Philli, Dalembert going to Portland, Iggi + Pryzbilla (expiring) coming to Houston.

 

In a deep draft, I don't think Philly would really want to give up their second rounder for our first. I say, we still give them the first, but they throw another player at us. If it's Holiday or Williams, we can give them Lowry.

 

DM-Butler CD-iggy

 

That could explain the call up for JT meaning Budinger is out of here or Morey is trying to include JT in a deal.

 

These call-ups/sending people to D-League normally mean nothing and people at ClutchFans always think it means huge moves are coming. I really don't think a trade is happening anytime before February 11th/12th when all the GM's and Owners get together in Dallas for the All-Star game.

 

I would think DM is going to wait till Feb16-18th till he makes a deal. He knows that he can get a better deal by letting the bad offers polish out. Right now Philly can say Iggy+bad contract, but wait till the end and they would fix it to our advantage. They want to get rid of a long term contract...

 

Exactly!, the closer the more desperate they'll get.....I'm really hoping for their first pick(unprotected), even if it means taking on Brands horrible contract...

--RB

 

Philly is NOT giving up their first rounder, let alone an unprotected pick. The whole point of trading Iguodala is to rebuild, and that pick will likely be one of the single biggest building blocks for the Sixers.

Even THINKING about getting that pick is a waste of everyone's brain power.

 

abso "****ing" lutly.

 

Not that anyone would be willing to take Brand's contract even with a top 7 pick guaranteed, but if a team were, I actually think Philli would do it. Brand is still due to make > $51 mil over the next 3 years And the Sixers have drafted well of late and have some nice young talent already (Young, Spreights) etc. If they were to trade Iggi, they'd likely get another good young piece in return, and possibly also a pick. If they could just trade away the albatross contract of Brand, they can start anew. Their salary would go from 63 to 37 next year, with yet another 11 coming off the following year in Dalembert. Is that price enough back for a top 7 pick? Unless that pick is John Wall, I would think it would be.