[Philly Inquirer] 76ers have to knock over Rockets with young talent (UPDATE: 1/13)

So if we get Noah would that ruin any chance that we get Lebron

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So if we trade away half of our starting lineup for Sam and Iggy we are an automatic lock for Chris Bosh next season?

I'm all for it but I can't see it happening.

 

When you say Sam I assume you mean Sam Dalembert correct? You arent trading away the whole team. It would be a 2-1 scenario if Morey was to accept it. Dalembert and Iguodala for McGrady

 

Tipjar bet? *hears crickets*

 

no way do we take on dalembert's deal...looks like houston will just collect proposals, and let the teams weat it out until the deadline and hope they get a tmac for iggy type of deal.

 

Agreed. Morey hasn't spent 3 years constructing a team based on the low contracts for good talent principle to blow it all with Dalembert's horrible deal. Maybe if Iggy was a top 10-15 player in this league it would be worth bringing in Dalembert but he's not. No point in bringing in trash just to get a "pretty good" SG.

 

Sorry, I skimmed through and thought your initial trade would be AB, Luis, Cook, Ariza and other stuff for Iggy and Dalembert.

Yes, Sam Cassell.

 

Collect proposals and wait until Feb 18th, at which time Morey will shift into overdrive putting together offers involving the Rockets and 2,3,4 other teams to maximize the return on McGrady.

 

Do people really think that we will get both Bosh and an Iguodala/Butler type? I'd love for that to be true, but I just don't see it happening. Just seems like too much turnover for the team. We'd be trading around half of our team. Granted it'd be well worth for the team that we'd have, but just doesn't seem like it will happen.

The only team in recent memory that traded for great players all in one season/off-season are the Boston Celtics when they received Kevin Garnett and Ray allen during the same off-season.

Just doesn't seem like it happens much. Will be interesting nonetheless. Not to mention I hope both trades do happen.

 

People keep saying this, and it's simply not true. Iguodala or Butler would come practically free since we would be able to probably get either of them for simply Tracy McGrady's contract. We'd take on bad contracts in return, but we wouldn't lose any of our current team.

Bosh would be the expensive one, but I don't think Morey would trade more than 2-3 of our current rotation for him anyway. If he was able to swing Scola+Ariza (with Cook's contract to make salaries match), most people would send him emails about how much they love him.

With two deals like that, you'd really only lose Scola+Ariza from your rotation, but gain Bosh+Butler/Iguodala. Yes, we'd have a bad contract or two, but it's been confirmed the Rockets are willing to take 'em if the deal is right.

The problem is getting the Bosh, really. I think Butler or Iguodala can be had pretty easily, but I think everyone's overestimating how available Chris Bosh really is.

 

I like Iguodala but I don't think he's the superstar-level player that could put the Rockets in Championship contention. When Yao comes back next year, he might be 3rd or 4th option on offense. Plus, his salary is a killer for 4 more years for an above-average player. Dalembert is a decent backup but he's vastly overpaid.

 

Agreed, especially when a deal like this actually works:

Houston receives:
Bosh
Iggy

Philly receives:
T-Mac

Toronto receives:
Brooks
Scola
Dalembert

I also believe that Bosh has to essentially pull an "Orlando Magic T-Mac" and say that he has no intention of re-signing with Toronto for this to get done. We are also going to have to give up either Brooks or Landry to get him to Houston.

 

surely Toronto feels the same way about Dalembert and his contract as we do

 

Although such trade would be nice, Toronto is not going to give up Bosh and take Dalembert's contract just to get Brooks and Scola back.

 

Alas, you're right. After looking at it, you're completely right in fact. Should have seen that sooner.

Giving up Brooks would hurt though. That's really the only negative I can come up with. Everything else looks great for the most part.

 

Yeah, it would have to be Landry in that deal. The one-year value contracts of Landry and Brooks would offset the pain of taking on Dalembert.

 

Perhaps, who knows what draft picks may also be included. I was using this trade more as an example that we wouldn't have to give away half our team to acquire BOTH Iggy and Bosh next month...

 

Toronto is not going to take Dalembert. If we want Bosh, a trade is likely going to have to have Battier or Ariza because of their contract size (to make salaries match), and not contain McGrady or any bad contract we happen to get when acquiring Iguodala or Butler.

Like I said, Bosh is the kicker in all of these dream scenarios, and I can't say that getting him is very likely. Toronto will probably keep him and use him in a sign-and-trade in the off-season.

 

I believe he has already made that pretty clear. However, I think Toronto believes it will get better S&T offers this off-season as opposed to dealing him during the season. It would take a very good offer from the Rockets to get them to go for it if that is indeed true. Brooks, Landry, C-Bud, and Cook for Bosh and Caldron? You better be pretty sure about Bosh, both talent-wise and resign ablitily, to make that kind of deal.

You still have T-Mac to deal to fill in some of those pieces they traded away. Maybe then a NYK deal makes more since. Say - T-Mac for Lee, Robinson, and fillers. Lee is a nice 4/5 and Robinson gives you some of what Brooks did.

 

It depends on if Morey can sell Trevor Ariza as a great young talent to the Raptors. There are a lot of combinations that can be made to acquire Bosh, but in order to get the salaries to match, a contract of Battier/Ariza's size would almost have to be included; Landry and Brooks make far too little and we don't have many contracts to stuff in there with 'em.

Really, we only have Brian Cook at this point; every other contract we have is a good one (not counting McGrady). Actually, now that I think about it, this speaks volumes about Daryl Morey's asset management. I think DD could learn something here.

Anyway, something like Ariza+Scola+Cook or Battier+Scola+Cook could be swung and not include Brooks or Landry. Getting Toronto to do that would take two things:

(1) A lot of convincing by Daryl Morey that the Raptors need a wing defender and that Battier/Ariza are bargains.

(2) Toronto to lose a lot before February 18. And by a lot, I mean a lot. Unfortunately, they are doing pretty well right now.