[Phila. Inquirer] : RUMOR - Juwan Howard and #8th pick to Atlanta for the #5th pick

It would only kill the MLE if we renounced all of our exceptions.

 

Atlanta needs bigs and Howard makes some sense for them. They are under the cap so they have money to burn. I doubt they resign Al Harrington so if they can add Shelden Williams and Juwan Howard that helps them with bigs inside which they can couple with ZaZa Pachulia.

 

Cool, which of course we wouldn't do!

Does that also mean that if we moved Howard to the Hawks we would then get a 6M Trade Exception? That's huge! Talk about a nice asset! That along with our 4.2M TE gives us a lot of leeway to absorb a contract later in the season.

 

They also need to hit the minimum cap, but I haven't read the rules regarding that after the new CBA was negotiated. Howard gives them a veteran post presence who will be an expiring contract when it's time to extend their wing players.

 

If the Hawks have "commited to" Sheldon Williams as speculated, why would they want Juwan Howard? That doesn't make much sense.

And I still don't understand why we want to trade up? We need to ADD players, not give up players. Our depth is horrible. As it stands now:

Rafer Alston, Bob Sura?
?, Luther Head, Keith Bogans?
Tracy McGrady, Ryan Bowen
Juwan Howard, Stromile Swift, Chuck Hayes
Yao Ming, Dikembe Mutombo

IMO Sura is done. Wesley is gone. We should resign Bogans b/c he's a decent back up at the 2 and the 3 and he's still young. Ryan Bowen is worthless, Howard and Stromile need to go.

So the way I see it we have:

Rafer Alston, Need backup PG
Need starting 2 guard, Luther Head, Keith Bogans
TMac, Bogans
Need starting PF, Chuck Hayes
Yao, Deke

That gives us 7 worthwhile players on our roster. I would LOVE to dump Juwan and/or Stromile in a trade. We need a STARTING 2 guard, a STARTING PF, and better depth in the backcourt.

My ideal situation would be to trade back with NO/OK to get their 12 and 15 picks. Give them our 8 and Stromile Swift (even throw in the 32 or Luther Head if they want it).

Then in my fantasy world we get Rodney Carney (12) AND Ronnie Brewer (15). And if neither of them is there at 15 then I'd be OK with Reddick or a PF.

Rafer Alston, Still need backup PG (Maybe Mike James?)
Ronnie Brewer, Rodney Carney, Luther Head
TMac, Rodney Carney, Ronnie Brewer, Luther Head, Keith Bogans
Juwan Howard, Chuck Hayes
Yao, Deke

You add Carney and Brewer you are all of a sudden an extremely VERSITILE, ATHLETIC squad. You've got 4 players that can play the 2 OR 3 (Tmac, Carney, Brewer, Bogans). Tmac and still handle the ball too if need be.

Yeah I know it's all too good to be true, but man that would be sweet!












If anything we should trade back and add another pick.

 

maaaaannnnn ...DONT TEASE ME WITH THAT LINEUP

 

I don't think Mo Pete is a free agent. But it would depend on who we draft. If we go Thomas or Gay, then we probably want to help our backcourt with someone like Rasual Butler, Greg Buckner, or Qyental Woods. If we draft Roy then I'd be looking at frontcourt help in Darius Songalia, or an energy guy like Aaron Williams, or an under the radar guy like Jackie Butler.

 

mostly likely songalia better shooting ability than aaron williams , but we give the rebounding and avg. post defense wit williams

 

So we have two rumors:
#8 + Howard = #4 + Miles
#8 + Howard = #5

If both are true then #4 + Miles = #5
i.e Miles has negative value.

 

I'd do this trade in a heartbeat. Never liked Juwan Howard. His shot is as flat as the feet he walks on.

 

Hell, I would do this deal is all we got out of it was Atlanta's 2nd rounder at #33. Then we can either take an extra flyer on a guy or trade up for a mid to late first rounder. There have been rumors of New Jersey trading the #23 to Portland for the #30 and 31. Well maybe NJ would prefer the #32 and 33 because they're both second round picks without guaranteed money.

And we get a TE worth almost 6 million for dumping Juwan. We could turn that around and trade for Mike James while giving up either Head or the rights to V-span.

Getting the bpa at #8, another possible rotation guy at #23/32 or 33, and James while still having the MLE to work with would be a awesome start to our offseason.

Make it happen CD. Please, please, please make it happen.

 

First, drafting Shelden Williams and adding Juwan Howard as his backup allows the Hawks to SnT Harrington for a starting caliber PG. Pachulia, Shelden, the Josh's, Joe Johnson and an SnT'd PG is a decent EC team. The Hawks are among the leagues' worst at drafting so getting a player as NBA ready as Williams at #8 isn't a bad idea (especially since they have entertained the prospect of drafting him at 4 anyway).

Secondly (and I know it's been "promoted" heavily here), there is no way on this planet NOK gives up both 12 and 15 to a divisional rival.

Lastly, you have appoached depth with a short-sighted panic which has totally ignored the MLE, Spanoulis, and vet minimums. The Rockets don't need a 12 man rotation. They only need 8 or 9. Yao, TMac, Deke, Stro, Hayes, Bogans, Alston, the Lottery pick, an MLE signing (James, V-Span, etc.) and a vet minimum player easily gets you in range.

 

As a couple of others have said, why on earth does Atlanta do this? Taking on Juwon's contract to move down 3 spots? There would have to be a catch. We throw in a future pick, or something. The trade sounds fantastic, from our end, but Atlanta has to get something more... or did Goofus with the Knicks, Mr. Thomas, get the GM job there when I wasn't looking?

 

This sounds like total BS. In this scenario, Juwon Howard is the difference between three lottery spots in a draft that runs 7 deep. Riight. Juwon has negative value. A team would take him on to move up to our #8 from the 20's for a realistic scenario. Not even Billy Knight is this dumb. Spare me the "the Hawks need big men" banter - they could pick up guys from the NBDL that are better and far cheaper than Juwon. If CD pulled this off, I'd take back everything I said about him from Maloney onward. Sounds like complete BS.

 

Not to sure, but usually David Aldridge is pretty dependable.

 

It actually wasn't him that posted that garbage about Mike James being the most overrated player in the history of Clutch Fans or whatever that nonsense was. It was actually "Rockets 111" that posted that.

 

Well, at least it's pretty obvious that Juwon is on the block. That's good news.

 

I haven't read every post in this thread so I may have missed some of the nuances. That said, if the Hawks have targeted Shelden Williams and he falls to the Rockets, you are saying that it is not conceivable they'd take Juwan...ever?

If so, we'll have to disagree. If they've already targeted Williams, then Howard, Head and a protected 1st makes sense to both sides. Especially since after Juwan and Head, ATL will still have $30+M in cap space.

UPDATE: There is also about a $1m first year salary differential between 4 and 8. That's like getting Luther Head for free.

Thanks.

 

It's basically the Mav's model for getting to the finals. Get a bunch of athletic swing players that you can build around your superstar player. In our case we have two in Ming and Tmac. I acutally agree that this would be the best thing the Rockets could hope for right now, but I don't really see Carney falling that far, maybe Brewer. A lot of teams, if they see Brewer fall, will probably think its for a good reason and stay away (his shot is a huge question mark). Carney won't because he's in just the right range for a team to take a chance on him.

But lets assume that one or the other turn out to be a 20 ppg scorer in the league, and the other is at worst a athletic defensive stopper. If Tmac goes down, we dont really lose a step, and it sets us up for when Tmac decides to retire.

I see Roy turning into a player like a more athletic McKey when he played for the 76er's, Thomas will be similar to Josh Howard at the 3, and Gay will be like Rashard Lewis + Jefferson's hops. The only guy I would move up for is for Gay or Morrison. Moving down to add depth seems like a pretty good idea right now... or we can move up and trade a future first rounder for a pick in the 10-16 range.

 

Well people are wondering why they're commited to Shelden at #5 when they could easily pick him up #6-9, and possibly at 10-14. But if they wanted to trade down, I'm sure they could pick up better than Juwan Howard.

I don't know why Juwan is in all these trade rumors. His contract is bad and he's hitting that age. Maybe people think he's got something still left in the tank and is being used improperly in Houston. We are expecting him to be a pure jumpshooter on offense, while other teams might see him as a potential 16/7 guy. Maybe we should thank PJ Brown for showing the league that a saavy veteran can really solidify at young team, showing them how to be professionals and work hard.

Regardless, I think we're stuck with Juwan Howard and the #8 pick. These rumors are bogus IMO and are heavily favored on Houston's side. That's fine with me. I'd like to see what Ronnie Brewer can do with Mike James next to him.