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Phil Rogers is wondering if the Astros would trade Clemens to the Cubs????

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by BSW, May 3, 2005.

  1. NJRocket

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    If RJ goes on the DL for any length of time....you can bet that Cashman's FIRST call will be to Drayton. Granted, we would never move him at this point in the season....but you know they will try.
     
  2. NJRocket

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    McLane, who met with Berkman's agent Thursday in hopes of working out a multiyear deal, did not deny the validity of Newsday's report.

    "Anything is possible," McLane said. "But as far as any part of a written agreement, there isn't one."


    McLane, who gave Clemens a no-trade clause with his record $18 million, one-year deal last month, says he would consider trading anyone if that player requested it. Clemens' agents were unavailable for comment.

    "He's got a no-trade, so we couldn't go out and trade him unless he agreed to it," McLane said of Clemens. "We'll listen to anything that is brought up, but as far as an automatic deal, that's not in the contract
     
  3. MadMax

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    what's extraordinary about that?? seriously, what's the big deal with any of that???
     
  4. NJRocket

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    I could see Big George canning him AND Torre if this continues
     
  5. NJRocket

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    its Drayton refusing to deny that there was a conversation about this between he and Roger
     
  6. Nick

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    But, what would really come of that?

    Is it really the "managing" at this point? No.

    I think its putting a bunch of "superstars" together on one team, and allofasudden, nobody knows who the leader is anymore. Either everybody wants to be the leader, or everybody expects somebody else to take the role.... and in the end, nobody leads.

    George has to change his "mindset" of just trying to sign every great player out there that he can. They did, however, pass up on Beltran... which was a breath of fresh air. (but maybe they knew that he wouldn't be worth the money... ;) ).
     
  7. NJRocket

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    George doesn't care whose fault it is. Its just the way he works. He obviously isn;t going to fire Pavano, Mussina or Wright for pitching poorly...so this is his only outlet.

    Nothing he does surprises me.
     
  8. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Look, let's be honest. The only reason Drayton paid Clemens that outrageous salary for this season was because he knew all along that he likely wouldn't have to pay all of it. He knew that the product he was putting out on the field was far weaker than last season. With that in mind, he figured the Astros would not be in contention by mid-summer and he could dump the salary through a trade.

    This line of thinking is also why Drayton insisted on not including a no-trade clause in the Beltran deal. People brushed off the no-trade clause as a convenient excuse for Beltran to chase the money. They said it wasn't the real issue behind the Mets getting Beltran. They were wrong. Drayton does not want to be locked in to big dollars to players. Period. Drayton is cheap, plain and simple, and this is just one more manifestation of it.
     
  9. JPM0016

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    Yeah, that's why Berkman got a 6 year deal with a full no trade clause. :rolleyes:
     
  10. Rocketman95

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    Or Bagwell. Or Biggio. Or Pettitte.

    He never gives big contracts. Never. Ever.

    If last year was any manifestation of him being cheap, I'll take it!
     
  11. Nick

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    Why are you still here then???

    You've already told us not to waste time posting about the team, or watching the team play this year... but I still don't understand why you continue to post if you feel so strongly against this team and its owner.

    Do you simply get off by stating these claims every single chance you have?... because honestly, your anti-drayton posts are starting to lose just a tad bit of novelty, after the 100th time we've all heard it.

    Its kinda like having a parrot around here. :rolleyes:
     
  12. Castor27

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    According to Jayson Stark, Clemens moving is highly unlikely:

    http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/colu...lumns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2052208

     
  13. lalala902102001

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    Although I don't question the fact that the Astros are and will remain a bad team this year, I just can't imagine the Cubs be any better. They've lost as much offense as we did, and their pitching is simply awful right now.

    Maybe Houston will trade Roger Clemens in mid-season (and we probably should), but I'm rather certain that we'll not trade him to a team that will finish behind us in the division.
     
  14. msn

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    You're either unobservant or stupid, plain and simple. Have you not noticed the "big dollars" to the following players?

    Bagwell
    Berkman
    Hidalgo
    Clemens
    Pettitte (even at a "discount", that's big money)
    Kent, for two years

    Not to mention highly competitive offers to Beltran (yes, Beltran) and Randy Johnson back in the day.

    Heck, they even spent at one time $5M on Brad Ausmus. Cheap???

    "Cheap" is the standard uninformed parroting from your typical Astros-fan whiner.
     
  15. bottlerocket

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    Cubs couldn't afford him. They Yanks maybe but not the baby bears.
     
  16. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Yeah, you guys don't think Drayton learned his lesson from those big deals to Bagwell, Hidalgo and Pettitte? Come on, apologists, surely you can acknowledge he did. Berkman is a hometown legend whose public relations value makes him an exception in this discussion.

    I can't believe someone cited Jeff Kent as an example of Drayton willing to spend money over the long term. That's funny. He signed Kent for what was arguably a below market rate 2 years ago and then dumped him (his top RBI man from last year) for salary reasons in a year when the Astros lost their best player because of money (Beltran). Hilarious.
     
  17. msn

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    No, Berkman is an $85 million contract. You cannot arbitrarily dismiss that, especially not with the excuse you employ here. $85M is $85M.

    Way to skew the facts in favor of your weak argument. First of all, I acknowledged that it was only for two years. You can argue it was below market--but you may want to check what FA's, especially infielders, were signing for that year. Second, the decision to let Kent go was not a slash in salary for the sake of slashing salary but an attempt to *keep* Beltran, which makes your next phrase even more stupid.

    Really? The Astros cut Kent *after* they lost Beltran? Or are you arguing they should have been clairevoyant?

    Additionally, the Astros did *not* lose Beltran due to money. I know you've tried to prove that point, but you've failed miserably. It's really very simple--$112M (or even $107M) in Texas is better than $119 in NYC. The whole "long-term commitment" BS is a stretch--that money was guaranteed to Beltran one way or the other, and in case you haven't noticed, teams that trade away big contracts often end up having to pick up a large percentage of that contract anyway. See: Hampton, Mike for one of the more recent and crazy examples.

    In other words, I'm not an "apologist", I just don't buy the whole "Drayton is cheap!!! conspiracy crap. It's just more examples of Astros fans whining for the sake of whining, and with ridiculous and illogical assumptions at that.
     
  18. HayesStreet

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    I could see Clemens agreeing to a trade to the Yanks or Red Sox. He gets to finish the year on a contending team and also helps the Astros by getting something in return (players). Hell, then he could just come back to the 'stros next year!
     
  19. MadMax

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    what in the world would they get back?? there's nothing there. the yanks have zero in the cupboards. i'm not familiar with the Red Sox, but I don't think the Sox NEED Clemens to win that division this year. i don't see them picking up his obligation.

    the only team i can really see is the Yanks...and as I said, they have nothing to give back. The 'stros would have to be overwhelmed with an offer in order to give up Roger. The Yanks don't have anything overwhelming they can part with in terms of young talent.
     
  20. gr8-1

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    Because one team is about winning and the other is a perennial also ran. I'm embarassed for the Stros right now. Clemens is trying to help the ball club as well as cement his legacy and these guys can't get him one win.
     

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