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Phil Jackson on Miami Heat: Talent doesn't always win.

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Marteen, Sep 23, 2010.

  1. Icehouse

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    The coach that has never won jack without arguably the most talented team says talent doesn't always win. Hilarious.*
     
  2. Icehouse

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    Oh, so the USA assembling a team to actually practice together for years before the games and coaches to implement a scheme and stay had nothing to do with that. It was the fact that Kobe was playing. I wonder why the current team just won....with worse players.*
     
  3. ubigred

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    QFT!!!
     
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    the roster the lakers have suppose to be better than the heat and its also well spread out. Phil is actually talkin by experience of his current team. They barely beat the celtics which celts could've easily won if perkins wasnt out or if they had homecourt.
     
  6. Cohete Rojo

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    Is Phil really trying to compare Shaq/Payton/Kobe/Malone to LeBron/Wade/Bosh? :rolleyes:
     
  7. Steve_Francis_rules

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    Says the guy who was handed a franchise player for peanuts by another team within the same conference weeks before the trade deadline.
     
  8. gambingo

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    Kobe, Shaq, Malone, and Payton would agree with Phil lol......
     
  9. Rockets4279

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    My thing with the Heat is they will struggle atleast the first half of the season. They have tomany ball-stoppers and this team wont have much ball movement imo. They'll be tough, but can be held in check. They have tomany isolation players. LeBron and Wade really dont have an outside shot or the full- 'total' offensive game like Kobe or a prime T-Mac. They'll struggle with those two, Miller will help, but Bron and Wade will struggle from outside.
    Simply just give them the outside shot. I like the Lakers over Heat in a seven game series. My dreams is to see them never win a championship.
     
  10. goodbug

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    http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2010/09/world-championships-missed-opportunity-for-lebron/
    “It’s been said that LeBron could’ve benefitted here this summer,” USA Basketball managing director Jerry Colangelo said. “But it was never a consideration.”

    Because LeBron was the cancer. It took Kobe to keep LeBron's ego in check. Without LeBron, they were still the most talented and they won easily. It's always a chemistry issue, and LeBron was the problem. They didn't want to take LeBron in any of these tournaments but Nike insisted.


     
  11. goodbug

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    The Celtics didn't have a chance if Bynum wasn't hobbling all series.

     
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    You know, if the Heat stomp the competition and win the championship, everyone will act as if they never said these types of things.

    The focus will be on how the other team choked, pouting about how there should be rules against players this good on the same team, and how they just did what they should have done.
     
  14. dachuda86

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    I hated that guys until he stopped the media to say "Give them something f***ing credit" about the Rockets playing them in the playoffs... I think he's a very honest coach when it comes to his assessment here. Miami will have to unite... however I see the egos and arrested development of Chris and Lebron clashing with the real professionals in the league.
     
  15. Shroopy2

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    Everytime you see "Adrian Wojnarowski " on an article, its a for sure Lebron hit piece.

    You are seriously SERIOUSLY in need of a Hollywood hooker and some relaxation. Not that I ever cared for your objective level headed "analysis". But you're just plain making sh_t up, like you always have done.

    Like
    Dwyane Wade
    Carmelo Anthony
    Dwight Howard
    Amare Stoudamire
    Chris Paul
    Deron Williams
    Chris Bosh

    couldn't have "benefited" from the experience? Whats the special benefit Lebron could have received that those other guys wouldn't have received?

    2004 Olympics everyone piled on Allen Iverson. When everyone forgot that he was on the 2003 Tournament of Americas qualifying team that SPANKED the competition to a tourney gold medal to get into the Olympics. Why did they have to even "qualify" to get into the Olympics?

    Because THIS was the team that started the decline, the 2002 team. Where "NBA Champion" Paul Pierce got BENCHED by the coach over a fallout. Sounds "cancerous" to me...And lets not forget that other countries are allowed to get better and catch up.
    http://www.nba.com/mavericks/news/LaFrentz_Earns_Roster_Spot.html

    Get your facts straight, dumbass. Not saying Kobe didnt have any benefit, I know he did. Not saying Lebron has a great personality, he's probably annoying. But to say Lebron singlehandedly turns everything into crap is just inaccurate.
     
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    He's quoting USA Basketball managing director Jerry Colangelo on LeBron, what more accurate assessment can you get?

    You can blame 2004 Olympics on AI, I am fine with that. Like Durant in 2010, LeBron was 21 in 2006 too, had super friends on his side and he won LeBronze. In 2008, he couldn't wait to inform the media he's the leader in the team, only to be humbled by fans in China. And when the game was on the line, it wasn't him taking over. The 2010 team proved they didn't need that much talent. They needed a closer, they needed the whole team to be defense-first. Neither fits LeBron. You can be sure the USA Basketball executives don't want LeBron in 2012 too.



     
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    Oh I see what you did there, well I can do it to. The Lakers didn't have a chance if Ray Allen wasn't hobbling around most series. :rolleyes: Coming from the biggest Laker fan on the board I think you should at least acknowledge the fact that if the Celtics had Perkins the outcome of game 7 would be debatable. But Whatever, the past is the past.
     
  18. npz

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    The coach that won titles w/ the most talented teams that other coaches couldn't win titles with.
     
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    They're still going to dominate in the paint. I don't know of any two other players who are as scary for NBA big men than Dwyane Wade and Lebron James. Bosh also compliments them perfectly because he won't clog the middle.

     
  20. Steve_Francis_rules

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    The Bulls were steadily improving and may have become a championship team without Jackson. No other coach ever got a chance to take that team to a championship after Jackson left because the team had been dismantled.

    The team that Jackson first won a title with in LA was not the same team from the previous season. They had made a major change (swapping Eddie Jones for Glen Rice) during the lockout shortened season. In addition to bringing in Jackson the next year, they also benefited from an entire season playing together with their new team and from the Spurs (defending champs who had swept them the previous playoffs and beat them 3-1 in the season series that year) being knocked out early because Duncan missed the playoffs.

    Again, no other coach ever got another chance to take the Shaq/Kobe Lakers to a title after that, they were dismantled when Jackson left. Jackson returned to the Lakers a couple years later and was leading them nowhere until they got Gasol.
     

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