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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Old Man Rock, Mar 3, 2010.

  1. Old Man Rock

    Old Man Rock Contributing Member

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    Okay that's it. I've had enough. We need to rid this healthcare bill one way or another NOW. When the media thinks it's acceptable to steal our very own cougars basketball slogan in a derogatory way that's where I draw the line. Read what they have to say.

    Phi Bama Slama Jama Healthcare Bill

    It doesn't matter if it's true. Don't use our beloved Cougars slogan to put down an unacceptable Obama plan.
     
  2. Depressio

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    Actually no, in NYC he's known just as as BAM

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  4. GladiatoRowdy

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    The author of this piece doesn't scare me.

    The masses who will just buy that massive pile of dung are the ones who scare me.
     
  5. Old Man Rock

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    You mean the 75% of American people polled recently by CNN who are against it.
     
  6. Major

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    It's always amusing when people pick the random poll they like to support their stance without knowing anything about the topic they are discussing.
     
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    ... and then claim CNN is too biased to have accurate polling when they show something that doesn't support their stance.
     
  9. GladiatoRowdy

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    I mean the idiots who believe that piece was factual.
     
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    I love the part that blames ACORN for the financial meltdown. CLASSIC
     
  11. Old Man Rock

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    Wow now I understand everything. Only your chart proves nothing.

    How amazing they love the individual parts yet mystifyingly they oppose the whole package. How can that be?

    Well let me explain that to you in English. You do understand English right? Imagine Provision 1 a bill granting every American a free federally delivered ice cream cone every Saturday morning. Provision 2: Sunday morning they get a free Spanish Omellette. Provision 3: Steak on Monday, also home delivered. Provision 4: A dozen red roses every Tuesday. Provision 5: a free check for 1000 dollars... and so on you get the idea. Would each individual provision be popular in the polls? DO'H... Of course they would.

    However (life is a vale of howevers) suppose these provisions were bundled into a bill that also spelled out how the goodies are to be paid for and managed – say, one trillion dollars in new taxes, half a trillion in Medicare cuts (cuts not to keep Medicare solvent but to pay for the ice cream, omelette, steak and flowers), 100 new boards and commissions to administer the bounty-giving, and government regulation dictating, for example, how your steak was to be cooked. And of course everyone had to pay for the steak even if they were vegetarians. How do you think this would poll?

    The fact is California is going bankrupt and so are more than a dozen other socialistic States. Massachusetts has already adopted the same healthcare plan and it has only caused a major collapse of once what was a budget balanced state. The government sucks at running anything . You need only look at the Fannnie Mae and the Post office to see that. And yet idiots think a socialistic communistic country is the way to go. How stupid can you be.

    I can only be thankful I live in Texas and somehow hope we can secede from Obama lead country if he gets reelected. By the way Obama is more white than Black. He is very intelligent but so was Stalin. I would vote for Jesse Jackson any day before him. And right now Battier would do better.
     
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  12. Deckard

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    OMR, you ought to relax and enjoy the rest of the evening. I am. I can enjoy it knowing I have an excellent healthcare plan thanks to the State of Texas. A huge number of people in this state, however, have no insurance at all. Maybe they'll be lucky and stay healthy. I wish I could believe that. Oh well, the Rockets won! Everything's groovy!
     
  13. Old Man Rock

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    46 million people in American are not insure and Obama wants to insure 31 million of them. But it's not the poor people he wants to help. They are already covered. It's not the illegal immigrants he wants to help in Texas they are insured under a gold card plan.

    15 million people who are uninsured in America are making over 50,000 anually. 10 million illegals are uninsured because they haven't bothered to apply for the gold card. another 10 million are between jobs. There is another large percentage of government workers who have the opportunity to have health coverage but refuse it to save a few bucks. Yes there are some exceptions including people who have been denied because of preexisting illnesses bu ther are many alternatives to haveing a mandate.

    I am of Mexican decent and I grew up in he barrios in Houston so Iknow poverty and I want to help those less fortunate but it only takes and imbecile to figure out a better wat than Obamacare.

    Make no mistake it this is not about healthcare, this is about a movement towards communism. You are lucky to live in Texas
     
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    Communism? Calm down...
     
  15. mc mark

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    Have another drink dude

    BTW around here it's customary to link your sources instead of posting them as your own thoughts ala basso.
     
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    B-Bob my celli weighs a ton

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    Calm down -- your outrage isn't doing anything for anybody, other than turning people off from your point of view.

    Fact is, if you ask the question one way, you get 75% one way. If you then ask it another way, you get 75% the other way. It's really true.

    What this American doesn't want, and literally can't afford, is another six months of the status quo. That' the "English" that I "understand," right?
     
  17. Dubious

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    My guess is that most of us Americans don't understand squat about the long term implications of the healthcare bill and can be lead to any conclusion by the careful wording of poll questions. Especially when the 'news release' interpretation of the poll is produced by a biased advocate and directed to a sympathetic audience by a public relations firm.

    It's still just the same old battle of pubic empathy versus the self interest of the privileged. So don't worry too much, the privileged come out on top almost every time.

    I'm pretty privileged but my wife and I still spend around $1200 a month on health insurance with a $2500 deductible on a policy that only pays 75% of my hospital expenses.

    I'm pretty sure someone is making a crapload of money on that deal. But if I didn't pay it, one catastrophic illness would put me into bankruptcy and in the poorhouse for the rest of my life. A public option makes a lot of sense to me.
    A shared risk without the huge profits.
     
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  18. Major

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    So, presuming you are at least as intelligent as an imbecile, why don't you share this plan of yours that's so much better?
     
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    I know several people who are decidedly middle class and, due to being laid off long enough to lose their health insurance, make $50,000+ a year and can't afford a payment like that, nor should they be required to. They are putting kids through college. They have a mortgage on a house that was perfectly affordable until being unexpectedly faced with a monthly bill for healthcare that is mediocre compared to what they had, yet has a monthly cost in the same ballpark as their house note.

    Again, with all due respect to OMR, this idea he has that many or most of those who don't have health insurance can afford it, but don't buy it, simply isn't true. Many have it and are going deep into debt to keep their now lousy coverage. Many more are being forced to leave uncovered the family member with the most pre-existing conditions, due to cost, even if that family member has a long term condition easily treated by modern medicine. That family member is quite likely to have that easily treatable condition, a medical problem that allows a normal life if the patient can afford to be treated, instead end up being hugely expensive to the taxpayer. Why? Because they couldn't control the condition, became worse, and ended up in a county hospital. But hey, maybe "the people" will be "lucky" and the fellow will end up in a graveyard, instead. Save everyone some money.
     
  20. uolj

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    Snideness aside, your point is well taken. Obviously given the opinions against the mandate and the cost, it is perfectly reasonable to think that the public finds those particular components far more important than the many pieces they support. (Perhaps I should have provided more discussion than just the chart and link to make it clear that I was aware of this.) But that doesn't change the point of posting the chart.

    One point was that another explanation to the number of people against the plan is that it was not sold properly and explained well enough to give the public a proper sense of what it included. The Republicans did a much better political job of getting their message out, and polls show that the public is often unaware of the facts of the bill itself. It is therefore reasonable to assume that the negative opinion of "this bill" is due to a lack of understanding of what the components are, and such information renders your 75% number much less relevant.

    The other, simpler point, is that there are other ways of looking at the same topic and finding much more public support for reform. A single poll would be much more relevant if it was not the one poll that was most heavily slanted towards showing your point of view.
     

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