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Phase II Report confirms America was lied into War

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Jun 5, 2008.

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  1. FranchiseBlade

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    says someone who believe others on this site with alternative viewpoints to his own don't love America before they love a certain political party.
     
    #21 FranchiseBlade, Jun 5, 2008
  2. glynch

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    Sorry, but chances are your kids will read the conventional history. A war entered into by lies. No good reason to do it. Nothing if anything gained. A lot lost.

    You will probably be unable to pass on the neo-con love of war to them. The Iraqi Syndrome may make the Vietnam Syndrome look like a fondness for war.
     
    #22 glynch, Jun 5, 2008
  3. DaDakota

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    They should not do anything to jeapordize the fall elections...but if they want to go after them in January..well....

    DD
     
    #23 DaDakota, Jun 5, 2008
  4. danny317

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    true.

    i think the worst thing that can be done is censure.
     
    #24 danny317, Jun 5, 2008
  5. Ehsan

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    What????

    This is so ridiculous to me. This guy should be on trial. He should go to trial for the very same reason Sheikh Khalid MOhammed and Saddam Hussein went to trial.

    Why is it too late? He's a human being. Just because his term is ending, doesn't mean he didn't do it. It happened. He is a citizen of your country, just like everyone else. Take him to trial.

    How can you not be mad? How do you think the troops in Iraq feel after reading this??
     
    #25 Ehsan, Jun 6, 2008
  6. glynch

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    This report should be the headline on major newspapers.

    Not just blogger material.

    The mainstream media is still not doing its job.

    Many people still believe that Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Powell etc. were mislead by faulty intelligence.

    That is why the majority of the public is saddened and do not support the war, but are not enraged at the deceivers.
     
    #26 glynch, Jun 6, 2008
  7. rimrocker

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    Oh, don't think I'm not mad.

    But he is the President and still has the powers of the office plus the powers he's assumed. He has a Justice Dept. that is only good at stonewalling investigations and bringing cases favorable to Repub interests. He has a SC majority beholden to the Repub party. It's 5 months until the election. Nothing's going to happen until then.

    Plus, the crimes they've committed are tough to prove, particularly without willing witnesses.

    My prediction: like Al Capone, they'll get tripped up on something stupid. I'm thinking destruction of Federal Records.
     
    #27 rimrocker, Jun 6, 2008
  8. Ehsan

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    IMHO, mad is not good enough. The whole country should be sitting around the whitehouse and demanding Bush be put on trial. Like I said, he's human. He should be subjected to the same standards as any human on this earth - namely, people who have killed other people "for the cause".
     
    #28 Ehsan, Jun 6, 2008
  9. rhadamanthus

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    Holy ****! At least one democrat actually has a pair! This raises the number of democrats with testicular fortitude to.... one.

    Kucinich calls for Bush impeachment
     
    #29 rhadamanthus, Jun 10, 2008
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    A day late and a significantly inflated dollar short. Let lame ducks lie.
     
    #30 weslinder, Jun 10, 2008
  11. rhadamanthus

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    Understatement of the year.
     
    #31 rhadamanthus, Jun 10, 2008
  12. SamFisher

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    I'm LOLLING my ass off about basso indoctrinating his children about how it was plausible to believe Ahmed Chalabi and how the vial of botox found in a refrigerator in Iraq is a deadly toxin, in between them doing book learning like multiplication tables - It's like a Colbert skit.
     
    #32 SamFisher, Jun 10, 2008
  13. basso

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    i have no idea what the **** you're talking about, but if it's education you seek...
     
    #33 basso, Jun 10, 2008
  14. GladiatoRowdy

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    You are the one who should be seeking education.
     
    #34 GladiatoRowdy, Jun 10, 2008
  15. mc mark

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    More from TPM this morning --

    Phase II: What Was Missing

    By Kate Klonick - June 10, 2008, 5:50PM

    Last week the Senate intel committee released their report on pre-war intelligence in Iraq, which confirmed the disconnect between intelligence information espoused by Bush Administration officials and what was actually known.

    The parameters of Phase II were negotiated between Senate Republicans and Democrats, for years, so it was maybe doomed to be a document with glaring omissions. But as damning as parts of the report were (Rumsfeld's false testimony, etc.) it probably could have been a lot worse for the executive branch, had not large swaths of White House communications been excluded from the scope of the investigations.

    As Walter Pincus of the Washington Post writes, "the panel did not review 'less formal communications between intelligence agencies and other parts of the Executive Branch.'"

    Which basically means that only the speeches and public press statements by senior officials, fell within the purview of the intel. committee's investigation. As Pincus points out, that leaves out a number of the other ways the administration misled the public before going into Iraq:

    Beyond rehashing sentiments of the Senate intel. committee's purposeful stonewalling and foreshortening of the investigation, Fred Kaplan at Slate
    takes a different read on the line "less formal communications between intelligence agencies and other parts of the executive branch." Kaplan believes the line addresses the covert pressure the White House placed on the CIA to play up its pro-war intelligence:


    In sum, while Phase II shed light on the "lies," or "misstatements," or "misinformation," or "whatever-you-want-to-call-it," of the administration's public claims in the days leading up to the Iraq war, it still leaves much to be desired in terms of scope and accountability.

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/phase_ii_what_was_missing.php

    But I'm sure congress by and large all saw the same intelligence. Right giddy?
     
    #35 mc mark, Jun 11, 2008
  16. basso

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    yes, including this, which you conveniently ignore. why shouldn't cc.net denizens suspect you're more interested in winning a 5 year old political argument than winning the war?
     
    #36 basso, Jun 11, 2008
  17. FranchiseBlade

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    Because even with that piece of evidence there was enough contradicting evidence and statements by the Intel community that deemed it not valid.
     
    #37 FranchiseBlade, Jun 11, 2008
  18. mc mark

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    basso if you haven't read the report please stay out of the thread.

    tia
     
    #38 mc mark, Jun 11, 2008
  19. basso

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    since you've read all 250+ pages, could you summarize the portion discussed here?

    TIA.
     
    #39 basso, Jun 11, 2008
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