PFT: Matt Schaub is Raiders’ top quarterback target, Mark Sanchez next

Those are the same Texans glasses that us fans have on when we say Dre is going to the Hall Of Fame

 

Trade an aging WR at the start of his decline for a young talented WR on the upswing of his career for a team that is two or more years from contending?

AJ is my favorite Texan and I would not only drive him to the airport but even buy him dinner on the way.

 

You don't need Texans glasses on to know that AJ is going to the Hall.

 

Bro, he's going to the hall. His athleticism is declining sure, but he'll be a 1000+ receiver for around 5 more years. If the Texans ever ****ing get it together hopefully he can be on a winner during his winddown.

 

He's going to have to get deeper in the playoffs and or get more TD's during that 5 year period you speak of. Just the same with as long as it took a lot of receivers to get in the Hall, Dre will have a long wait.

 

He's going in though.

 

That may depend on what he does in the next 3-5 years... As of now _ I doubt it.

 

The next 5 years are critical for him.

If he stays healthy and BOB gives him a good QB to work with, he should be in.

The sheer number of catches and yards would push him in, TDs be damned.

The post-season resume needs to be improved, though. As unfair as it is to him.

 

It'll be interesting because there's already a glut of worthy WRs waiting (loosened somewhat the past two years with Carter and Reed) and more are on the way ahead of Andre (Harrison, Moss, Owens...), as well as several worthy peers (Wayne, Fitz). And, unfortunately, he has WRs behind him who might, by the time their careers are over, render what he’s done less impressive (Mega, Jones, Green)

AJ is like a slightly-lesser Bagwell, in terms of his candidacy – undeniably worthy but lost in some anonymity as well as a gaggle of other candidates both before him (who are worthy) and after him (who could very well dwarf his numbers).

I’ve never thought the question was worth: I think he’s worthy. The question is how he’s going to get in with so much competition. Competition brings to light a lot of things that should otherwise be of lesser significance (the wins, the TDs…)

 

Good point. And it's hard to blame the quarterback when you got A.J. Green doing what he's doing year in and year out with Andy Dalton in a division with Pittsburgh and Baltimore.

It's like Richard Sherman's response to Deangelo Hall when Hall told him to check his stats and Sherman responded, "All I see is L's."

Good thing for Dre is everyone loves him (even outside of Houston) except for Cortland and he has Pancakes to lobby for him so that could help greatly.

 

Well, I think it's safe to say Andre would've given his right nut to have Dalton over Carr or last year's iteration of Schaub. And it's not like the AFC South pass defenses have been particularly kind to Andre, either.

Top 10 Pass D Finishes

2003: Titans 3rd
2004: Colts 5th, Titans 7th
2005: None
2006: Titans 6th
2007: None
2008: Jaguars 9th
2009: Titans 2nd, Jaguars 6th
2010: Titans 4th, Jaguars 5th
2011: None
2012: Titans 7th, Jaguars 10th
2013: None

Whereas the AFC North...

2011: None
2012: Cleveland 8th
2013: None

 

Well...

Some examples of quarterbacks thrown into the fire and their horrific results:

1. 38.1 % completion percentage, 1,410 yards, 6 TDs and 24 INTs in only 8 starts (13 games total) for a QB Rating of 30.4 - record as a rookie starter = 3-5

2. 47.5% completion percentage, 1,663 yards, 7 TDs and 14 INTs in 10 starts (11 games total) for a QB Rating of 54.9 - record as a rookie starter = 4-6

3. 49.9% completion percentage, 2,494 yards, 15 TDs and 15 INTs in 12 starts (13 games total) for a QB Rating of 65.0 - record as a rookie starter = 5-7

4. 56.7 % completion percentage, 3,739 yards, 26 TDs and 28 INTs in 16 starts for a QB Rating of 71.2 - record as a rookie starter = 3-13

Any ideas on who these guys were? I'm not saying this is the rule, but you can't use a qualifier like "no way" when talking about the philosophy of throwing a QB into the fire. I think it's more accurate to say that throwing a QB into the fire shows you what kind of mental makeup he truly has. Success teaches you nothing. Failure can teach you a great deal, and how a player responds to this sort of failure will tell you everything you need to know about whether or not he has the makeup to be a champion.

 

The AFC south has been a weak division for years with teams feeding on each other. That's why it appeared the Texans had a top defense until they played teams like New England and Green Bay. Cincinnati is in a division with a couple of multiple super bowl champions. Plus Dre's numbers aren't more impressive than Green's before Schaub fell off considering Green is still a young pup.

 

In fact, you'd probably need some kind of severe brain damage to not be able to realize that AJ is going to make the Hall (or just be a contrarian trying to get a rise out of people). He's easily a top 5 all time WR and there is a strong case for top 3.

 

Well the last one is Peyton Manning.....and it's the only season of the bunch that's worth a damn, so I'm going to guess that the rest are all QB's from a different era when you didn't have to be able to throw worth a damn. I'd imagine Terry Bradshaw was one of them, he was terrible at throwing a football, but people always like to throw him into conversations like this.

 

The team success in the AFC North is irrelevant to the discussion. The idea that Green has (on average to this point) played against tougher defenses is thoroughly debunked. Andre has had better QB play overall, though.

Given another good 5 years, he should wind up #1 in receptions and #2 in yards.... if he can crack the top 10 in TDs or put together a memorable playoff run, he should get in... the only thing I can see keeping him out is if sportswriters are dumb enough to let Megatron's shadow consume him. I don't put anything past them though

 

Jacksonville, Indy, and Tennessee have not been better defensive TEAMS than Baltimore and Pittsburgh. You can't just pull up "one stat" and assume they are. But you are right Dre has had better quarterback play and a lot of his numbers were accumulated while playing from behind against prevent defenses, unlike Green. These next few years for Dre are going to be very important on him getting into the hall of fame rather it be 5-10 years after he retires or 15-25 years after he retires if he gets in at all.

 

IMO he has the resume now, give him one more season of 90+ yards per game and he has more of them than any WR to ever play the game. If you look at it, that's always been the cutoff for having a truly dominant year, if you average 90+ yards per game, you were an amazing WR.

A lot of people bring Cris Carter into the WR HOF discussion, but there's a reason he had to wait as long as he did, he never once had a 90+ yards per game season, he never once led the league in receiving yards. He had tons of TD's and receptions, but that's not how WR's are judged. No one gave a damn that James Jones led the NFL with 14 TD receptions and Calvin Johnson only had 5 the year he broke the all time yards in a season record. Yards might not win football games, but they are how WR's are judged, and IMO rightfully so.

 

It was Bradshaw, Elway, Bledsoe and Manning.

The only one who played in an era when throwing wasn't mandatory was Bradshaw. But even then, I'm pretty sure 38% completion percentages and 24 picks in 8 games was pretty friggin' awful.

Elway had a pretty bad year but clearly had the makeup of a great player, learned from it and was very successful.

Bledsoe wasn't super elite, but was a very good starter for over ten years and played in a Super Bowl.

Manning, well, you know.

The point is, throwing these guys to the wolves often brings out their true makeup. The only real poster boy for hand-holding a QB and bringing them along slowly is Steve McNair, but unless there was an established QB already present on a team which drafted a QB, it has traditionally be very commonplace for rookies to play. Geno Smith may or may not be any good. But you'll see this year how he responds, the same way you saw Cam Newton respond to a subpar second season. He either will, or he won't. And if he's rattled by a bad year, he probably never had the makeup to be great in the first place.

 

Elway was a terrible passer for the first decade of his career, so it wasn't really mandatory that you be a good passer back then, or he'd have been out of the league.

Bledsoe wasn't ever anything special as a QB, so that's probably not the best example.

Bradshaw was a terrible passer his entire career.