PFT: Keenum could leapfrog Yates (maybe eventually Schaub)

Perfectly said.

It's easy for those that don't pay attention to the team game to throw out the name "trent dilfer" and "game manager"when it's been proven that the defences and special teams of every superbowl winning team string four games together where they play at an elite level.
In Schaub's tenure as a starter he has averaged 260+ yards per game putting him up with some of the best. nothing game managing about that.

Last year, schaub was absolutely atrocious against the blitz. but in 2011,2010,2009 he had been excellent. I think a lot of that has to do with the decreasing touches for foster in the passing game as his safety blanket and the loss of KS finally catching up to us.

 

The rule changes of 2005 pretty much make any Trent Dilfer arguments null and void. The NFL is more QB dependent than it has ever been. The Texans of the last 2 years would've been Superbowl favorites. It is harder than ever to win a Superbowl without a dominant QB, and it's only going to get more difficult as time goes by. If Schaub doesn't take a step forward, then we're boned unless the D is monstrous and the running game returns to being elite. Or unless we get really lucky :grin:

 

^ Texans of the last 2 years would've been Superbowl favs in the 90s

 

I recall the Houston Texans trading two 2nd round picks for an unproven backup QB in 2007...

 

A former third round pick with a solid college pedigree and who impressed in the brief time he had is a little bit more than what we have... That being said, Texans desperately overpaid.

 

And they were also favorites to go to the Super Bowl within the Schaub era as well. As we're the Patriots, who have just as many titles in this era as the Texans do.

Just because they haven't won it doesn't mean this team isn't capable. Kapernick or Flacco being on the Texans doesn't automatically give them a trophy.

Also, I feel the rule changes makes it more important to have an accurate good decision maker back there as with good protection, somebody is usually gonna be wide open.

 

2011 pre-season odds: ranked 10th (tie)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...l_n_953312.html#s354548&title=Houston_Texans_

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ycn-8863455

2012 pre-season odds: ranked 5th (tie)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1248276-summer-super-bowl-odds-for-the-2012-13-nfl-season/page/5

2012 pre-playoffs odds: ranked 7th (ouch)

http://www.milehighreport.com/2012/12/31/3822060/2012-nfl-playoffs-odds-super-bowl-odds

In 2012, their best year yet, I'd seen them ranked as high as 3rd and low as 7th. That's good, but it's not the favorite. When I say favorite, I mean favorite. As in #1. Hell, even #1 within your own conference would be quasi-favorite. But we can't say that's ever happened.

Not sure why you're picking this fight with me. I'm not saying the Texans aren't capable. But as it pertains to Schaub, he has to play better for this team to win a Superbowl as things stood as of January 2013.

 

Also, the Texans took a step back this year in their Superbowl odds. They're now tied for 7th for 2013. I'd say a lot of that drop in confidence in Vegas has to do with how Schaub finished last season.

http://www.bigblueview.com/2013/8/5/4591716/super-bowl-2014-odds-new-york-giants-listed-at-22-1

 

Not picking a fight. Just aknowledging that the Texans have certainly been picked as a Super Bowl contender by some during the Schaub era.

This idea that he is the singular thing holding the team back is ludicrous. Yes, he needs to play better for this team to win it all... but he's not going to be able to do it all on his own either (like his best season ever statistically, where the team only goes 9-7).

 

Is any team the Texans play this season worried about Schaub?

 

I don't really understand what that means. Were the Texans worried about Flacco last year? No, but they sure as hell were worried about playing the Ravens.

Does anybody really gameplan against Matt Ryan by himself? No... they gameplan against the entire Falcons offense.

Likewise, opponents of the Texans prepare to play against the entire offense. They worry about disrupting the zone-blocking scheme. They worry about covering Andre Johnson, Owen Daniels, and now Hopkins. They worry about not letting Foster get to the second level, which goes hand-in-hand with disrupting the ZBS. THEY PREPARE FOR THE SCHAUB PLAY-ACTION (I capped that reason for emphasis... so people would notice that Schaub is game-plannable) which has become a staple of the Texans big-play offense.

Teams mostly game-plan against an offense. In fact, if your offense is predicated upon the performance of just one singular player, it actually makes it that much easier to stop.

 

Haven't watched preseason (for good reason), but does he look like he belongs in the NFL? How good is he?

 

fixed

 

Somebody give this man some reps already!!!

 

He look ok!
(insert scola pic)

 

Yeah, that's why Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Manning, etc are so easy to stop.

 

they are. Brady plays like *shiz*, his own words, against a ravens D.
Flacco get's happy feet against wade's D.
Peyton, not Eli, plays like tebow against any playoff D. how many times do I have to post his stats from his first and only superbowl successful run? one more time...
Peyton mr eliteness defined:

Against the chiefs wildcard game 268 yards/ 1td/ 3 INTERCEPTIONS

Against the RAVENS Divisional... 174 yards/0 tds/ 2 INTERCEPTIONS

vs. patriots AFC title, he had a very "game managing" game of 300 yards/ 1 td and 1INT

Superbowl ..nothing spectacular 250 yards/ 1td/ 1int.


It's understandable that some don't like our qb but geeez.

 

If you're going to cherry pick, then I'll just leave this here.

http://pregame.com/sports/stories/b...s_3a00_-texans-and-49ers-favored-1605585.aspx

And here's a cool link where you can see who the AFC favorites were from week to week. Texans were #1 for almost the entire season.
http://www.sportsoddshistory.com/aa_php/main.php?y=2012&s=nfl&a=afc&p=reg&o=p5#tp

 

And I would never compare Schaub to any of the above ultra-elite QB's. Nor do I think the Texans need consistent super-human QB play to win games. (Meanwhile, Brees is wondering why a great season from him last year left him with a losing season).

Likewise, I don't feel Arian Foster is as talented of a RB as Jamaal Charles or Adrian Peterson. Hell, Chris Johnson has better RB tools than Arian. But, Arian fits very well on this team... and has a role to fill within the system.

It will always be a question of balance with the Texans... which is why all this bickering over Schaub is relatively pointless. Yes, he can't suck it up down the stretch... he needs to play relatively consistent/mistake-free football. Not super-human football, just execute the system football. (More Aikman-like, less Steve Young/young John Elway-like).

 

John McClain thinks the Texans will give the nod to Yates, but hold onto Keenum and start the season with three QBs.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexan...cks-yates-keenum-finish-fantastic-preseasons/