PFT: Keenum could leapfrog Yates (maybe eventually Schaub)

Kapernick was a high round draft pick that had skills/tools that Alex Smith didn't have... and still, they only waited till he got hurt before giving him a chance (much like how TJ got a chance once Schaub was hurt).

The Texans don't have that "problem"... unless TJ or Case is blowing away the first team defense in practices that we haven't heard about.

Why don't we wait till either TJ or Case actually does "totally out play him" before making up a controversy.

 

Did you not read the "if" statement I used? Or did you just purposefully ignore it?

 

P.S. Kevin Kolb and Matt Cassel say hello.

 

Oh yeah, and Matt Flynn too.

 

Both had either higher pedigrees coming out of college or had actual NFL success.

 

He was a free agent bust, based on "future promise" and at least one spectacular NFL game.

The latest trade was for a fifth rounder and something conditional. A far cry from a 3rd round pick.

Even then, TJ/Case are less proven than Flynn.

 

You shouldnt feel forced to "defend" the mediocrity of Schaubs ineptitude to win superbowls. whats the the point of supporting a sports team if the end result of your fandom isnt superbowls?
Its been clear over Schaubs tenure here that he wasnt going to bring any trophies to Houston. The mindset of a few tweaks in spite of Schaubs weaknesses is flawed. Its what lead Dallas into the predicament they are currently in. Failing to see what isnt going to work is what leads many into a purgatory outcome of bad decisions.
I personally would like to take a preemptive stance on the future success of the organization. The prime of our young players is at stake. Something that shouldnt be taken lightly or on the arm of weak armed immobile QB.
Im not a impulsive in my thinking. But if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its a one and done in the playoffs/season yet again.
the definition of insanity is expecting the same results after doing the same thing over and over again.

 

Yes, and their subsequent asking price was higher because of it. Point is, the precedent is there. Teams are willing to gamble on promise. TJ's sample size, while not as large as Kolb, was nearly as statistically impressive. Of course he was years younger than either Kolb or Cassel when he started, so that factors into the sliding scale on which he would be graded. His playoff win helps too, something neither Cassel nor Kolb had/have.

Yes, but considering he was a 7th round pick
, this serves as more proof of concept that teams are willing to pay a decent price for a QB that shows any kind of promise.

I agree a 3rd round pick was/is unlikely for TJ, but it's not unheard of. Had Schaub sat a few games last year, or had TJ absolutely been on fire this preseason, I'm willing to bet a few teams would entertain such a price.

 

Not denying that Schaub might be our biggest question mark, but the answer sure as hell doesn't already exist on this team.

As others have said, we heard the same crap about Joe Flacco until last season. Gifted with a superb defense and running game, could he ever get them over the hump. One and done in the playoffs year after year. 2012 looked to be the same, another one of those one and done seasons. Limping into the playoffs the Ravens looked to be cannon fodder behind a shakey oline, a tentative QB and ageing defense and then bam, they caught lighting in a bottle, beat the 3 Superbowl favorites.

Hell, Flacco won MVP of the biggest game of all and people still question him. I am sure if Matt did the same the same Houston fans who question him now wouldn't stop, they would clamor for their hometown hero, of course, hes younger and quicker!

I love how some of you think you can predict the future and under estimate the team concept of football. We had no answer for Tom Brady and the Pats last season, Bill Belichek has made Wade Phillips style of D his b**** for years.

 

Really? Didn't TJ guide us to the playoffs and won our first playoff game?

He certainly has more experience then Flynn.

 

Flynn got a big free agent contract (overpaid) after his 480 yard/6 TD performance in a meaningless game. Green Bay had no delusions of trading him for a 1st through 3rd round pick prior to this.

He has since been traded for a 5th and a conditional (ie - likely 7th) round pick.

TJ could probably fetch that in a trade to a desperate enough team... but not much more.

 

This doesn't make sense. As you put it, it was one meaningless game Flynn got those numbers. TJ closed out a playoff run, and won a playoff game. He's certainly more valuable.

 

So let him become a free agent then when his contract is up. Same thing Texans are doing with Tate.

That's what GB did with Flynn. Teams are more willing to overpay for a free agent (with the risk of just a cap hit) then part ways with valuable picks, especially for a backup. Draft picks are huge... if any team "needs" a QB, they're better off just using a pick on them (rather than trading said pick for somebody just as unproven and older).

Also, if we are attributing TJ with "guiding this team to a playoff game and win", then Schaub is certainly a "special" player having his team go 19-7 with a playoff win the last two years, and a top ranked offense while he is in.

 

Yates has not played well in the NFL. He's never shown anything to make anyone think he's going to be a starter. Just because he won a playoff game doesn't mean he has significant value. It isn't like he played well in the playoffs that year.

 

I am not as down on Schaub as I used to be, but I really don't see much special from him, not a great arm, not a great leader, not great at anything.

That does not mean we can't win with him, if you can win with Trent Dilfer you can certainly win with Matt Schaub.

But, I don't think you can RELY on him to win or take over a game - he is just not that good.

DD

 

No kidding? DERP

He's more valuable then Flynn. That's my point. I wasn't trying to say anything other then that. Just defending the under-selling of our backups as compared specifically to Flynn.

You guys have too much "ubigred" in you.

 

Great points..

 

Hard for any one QB to "take over a game". He does have the ability to lead comebacks... he does have the ability to be good late in games. Don't know if that equates to "taking over".

I think the things he is "good" at gets glossed over as if any QB can do them. Being accurate on guys in crossing or slant patterns. Play-action fakes. Throwing to the OPEN receiver (ie - not missing the guy who is wide open... sounds simplistic, but happens quite a bit). He also can run a hurry up... not that this team has had to do tons of that when they're often playing with a lead. Also don't know how you can define him as not a good leader... or a "bad" leader.

If all it took was arm strength and mobility, David Carr would be a hall of famer. In fact, there have been more successful QB's who simply have Schaub's repertoire (accuracy, decision making, lack of mobility, lack of arm strength) than those with just arm strength and mobility.

Also, Dilfer never had individual seasons like Schaub's... I know its everybody's favorite comparison, but Schaub's a better QB.

 

Flacco almost got the ravens to the Superbowl two years ago. He has been good in the playoffs the last two years. He also has a 9-4 record.

Again making the superbowl takes a lot of luck.

 

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