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Peyton Manning vs Tom Brady

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  1. david_rocket

    david_rocket Member

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    Brady is better than Manning

    Brady in this season has throw for 3 TDs or more in the 6 first games of the season, nobody in the NFL history have done that.

    Brady has made more with less (except this season), which he made more than Peyton.

    If Tom Brady break the more TDs in one season record of Manning, and the Pats win the superbowl, are you going to say Peyton is better?
     
  2. TMac#1

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    Brady has always had patchwork offensive lines and recievrs and running backs and won 3 SBs and embarassed Manning twice in the playoffs. Manning has always had a great o-line and a elite receivers and still failed miserably in the playoffs against the Patriots and Steelers, and was easily rattled by those defenses. Put Peyton on those New England teams and they don't have at least 2 of those rings. Now we see Brady with great recivers and o-line, and he is blowing away what Manning did a few yrs ago. 21 TD 2 INT thru 6 games????? Ridiculous. Last yr NE wasn't nearly on the level of the Colts talent wise, and they had them beat thru 3 qtrs. Colts are gonna get slapped on Nov 4. F the Colts, F manning. Patriots are gonna go 19-0 folks, this is the best team ever put together.
     
  3. TheFreak

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    When did Manning have a better defense than Brady?
     
  4. TheFreak

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    Yes, records will fall as long as the coach has absolutely no problem in running up the score. Manning could have had 60 TDs with Belichek coaching him.
     
  5. pirc1

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    How much has Brady been playing in the blow outs? I remember during the season when Manning was breaking records it was very common for him to skip most of the 4th quarter.
     
  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    you must be kidding
     
  7. justtxyank

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    This is such a misconception. Brady has not had a patchwork offensive line. His offensive line has always been considered one of the best in football. He's also always had AT LEAST an average running back. He also has benefited from an outstanding defense that eased his burden.

    The offensive line in Indy is incredibly overrated. Watch game film of them. It isn't that his o-line buys him more time than others, it's that he steps away from the rush better than any QB I've ever seen and gets the ball out quickly. The reason Pittsburgh and NE beat him up is because they blitz him so much better than other teams. They blow right through his cheesecake offensive line and he doesn't have time to step away.
     
  8. pirc1

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    No there at least two or three games he did not play at all in fourth quarter and at least three or four other games where he only played like one series.
     
  9. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    three quarters? its irrelevant, sorgi didn't play at all last season.
     
  10. The Cat

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    Antowain Smith? Sammy Morris? I wouldn't call those guys average. Also, New England's offensive line was considered a weakness until Brady stepped in.
     
  11. pirc1

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    Not last season, I am talking about the record breaking season.
     
  12. The Cat

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    Of Brady's 21 touchdowns this season, only four have come in the fourth quarter. Of those four, three came when the opposition was within 14 points or less, and none in the last three minutes. Most don't consider scoring when you're only up two possessions with several minutes left as running up the score.
     
  13. The Cat

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    With the exception of the last game of the season (when the Colts' playoff status was secure and any coach would sit his quarterback), Sorgi threw four passes the entire 2004 season.
     
  14. pirc1

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    If that is the case, sounds like no problem to me at all. We will just see if he can keep it up for 16 games.
     
  15. moestavern19

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    You're only arguing because you dislike Manning.
     
  16. justtxyank

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    Antowain Smith rushed for 1100+ yards in 2001 on 4.0 ypc. In 2002 he rushed for 980 yards on 3.9 ypc. Those were his only two years at the full time back all season. I'd say that fits into at least average.

    Sammy Morris is playing for NE this year because their running back is out hurt.

    In 2004 they had Corey Dillon who had a monster year.

    He has had at least average running backs. And I have never heard anyone say his line is a weakness.

    He HAS had average to below average receivers however. I'm not knocking Brady, but this myth about him that he has had some makeshift offense is simply not true.
     
  17. The Cat

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    I do happen to like Brady and dislike Manning. What does that have to do with the facts?
     
  18. The Cat

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    Smith had a solid season in terms of yardage in 1998, but not all that effective because his YPC was only 3.7. With the exception of that, Smith was considered a subpar back, until his production miraculously shot up the two seasons he played with Tom Brady. That's awfully coincidental.

    And as you said, his receivers for much of this run -- David Patton, an old Troy Brown, Jabar Gaffney, Reche Caldwell, Jermaine Wiggins -- are castoffs from other teams. The garbage of the league. He's had some quality players -- Dillon and Maroney as backs the last couple years, and Brown was more effective back in 2001. But by and large (up until this year), comparing his surrounding talent to guys like Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Edgerrin James, Joseph Addai and Dallas Clark is almost like comparing the Texans to the 1999 Rams.
     
  19. pgabriel

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    manning has had below average running backs? manning has had better offensive personnel. period. not even an argument. just look at what james is doing now.
     
  20. TheFreak

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    Way to qualify it there with "none in the last three minutes", thus eliminating a TD pass with 3:18 left in the game. :rolleyes:

    And I never said you couldn't score at all. But when you're connecting on deep balls up 31-7 in the fourth, I would call that unnecessary to say the very least.
     

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