A true leader takes charge even if it means ruffling a few feathers......at least he didn't call them out in the media like some alleged leader I know on our favorite basketball team. DD
Did you not read the thread? He has. What Peyton did isn't taking charge. It's projecting your failures onto somebody else.
Um Peyton DID call out his teammates in the media. I guess you don't keep up with football much. And if you want proof go back to The Cat's post.
It's funny watching people turn this into a T-Mac thread. I'm not hip to T-Mac bashing, but come on -- T-Mac is not a leader. It's as crystal clear evident as saying "Luther Head is not a point guard". You can keep trying to turn either one into their respective target, but it isn't happening. That's not the end of the world. You can find leadership elsewhere and still use the tremendous talent of McGrady, but what should worry people is that the past 25 or 30 games the talent ain't so tremendous. Volume shooters hitting 35-38% are not world beaters.
He may be a goober, a rich one, but still a goober but not a jerk...There's nothing wrong with what he did, it shows his passion and expectation and that's what leaders do... How this turned into a T-mac discussion is beyond me...
True. I'm not saying T-Mac is a leader. What I'm saying is that it's funny how when Peyton Manning does something it's to be commended but when T-Mac does the same thing he's whining. A leader doesn't have to yell at his troops to get them to follow.
I never said Peyton Manning never said anything stupid or talked about a teammate when he shouldn't have. I'm saying Peyton Manning is a leader on the field and he commands respect because without him on the field, that team doesn't constantly contend for the Super Bowl. Tmac doesn't need to be Peyton Manning out there, his position doesn't demand that kind of constant vocalization. I'm not going to criticize Tracy for not screaming in Bobby Jackson's face if he misses a wide open layup, but you'd just like to be able to see that kind of fire every once in a blue moon from the guy who makes the big bucks and is supposed to get you the W's.
It's funny to see people try to make judgments about someone's leadership based on a 30 second clip. Leaders come in all forms - some yell, some are quiet, etc. A leader has two basic qualities: (1) he (or she) gets the respect of the people he's leading and (2) he has the ability to get the most out of those people. For example, Phil Jackson is a pretty damn good leader - he calls out and even denigrates his players in the media all the time, but it works. And at the end of the day, he's able to squeeze every last ounce out of performance out of a given level of talent. The best way to judge a person's leadership abilities is to look at his followers and what they say and do. If, after that rant, their performance improved, then Manning pushed the right buttons. If, after that rant, his team was pissed off at him and the O-Line put out less effort or what not, that's a sign of bad leadership. Unfortunately, that clip doesn't show any such thing.
Peyton Manning's display of anger (not passion) isn't anything compared to TMAC. ANGER <> passion SCREAMING ne passion MADNESS != Sparta
Sorry; I posted the first links I saw. Here's your verifiable sources: From PFW: “I’m trying to be a good teammate here. Let’s just say we had some problems in protection. I’ll give Pittsburgh credit for the blitzes and their rush. Those guys rushed. But we did have some protection problems.” Nowhere in there did Manning call out one of his linemen. Not once did he criticize head coach Tony Dungy or offensive coordinator Tom Moore for not going to more max-protection schemes. But most importantly, Manning also failed to mention his own shortcomings. http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/AFC/AFC+South/Indianapolis/Features/2006/edholm011906.htm From ESPN: "Here we are," Manning said. "I'm out at my third Pro Bowl, I'm about to go in and throw a touchdown to Jerry Rice, we're honoring the Hall of Fame, and we're talking about our idiot kicker who got liquored up and ran his mouth off. "The sad thing is, he's a good kicker. He's a good kicker. But he's an idiot." http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2003/0202/1503003.html There are several others, including one in particular I remember after a loss to the Texans where he proclaimed that he could "only control what happened on one half of the field (offense)." But I'm still looking for a professional source for you.
Oh big deal...his kicker was an idiot, and did run his mouth off......and he didn't name any lineman at all. Payton ROCKS baby ! DD
Again, I don't think anyone is disputing that Peyton Manning is a great player. The discussion centers around whether he's a great player because of this mythical "leadership" involving irrelevant profanity-laced tirades, or because of split-second decision making, an ability to read defenses and coverages like no one in NFL history and a terrific arm. I tend to think it's the latter.
You didn't play football in high school if you don't think arguments break out and words are said EVERY practice and even harsher in games. These aren't taken personal, they never are. You make your point, the other makes his and it's over by the next play. These are grown men, they aren't holding personal vendettas because he told him to shut the f*** up. I'm sure he forgot it even happened by the next drive.
