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Petition on Rudy!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets-R-Us, Feb 15, 2003.

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  1. blacksteel69

    blacksteel69 Member

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    the same people who are dissin Rudy now would be praisin him if he just won a Championship.. so unless ur better qualified ...
    S T F U...:)
     
  2. blacksteel69

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    hey maybe all this team needs is:
    pg=Moochie-second team plays well with him right now,lets see how he runs the first team.
    sg=Francis-not a spectacular pg,too much dribbling at crucial times in the game to get his shot/needs mooch 2 set him up
    sf=Mobley-a great defender at times and can hit a clutch shot let him get off early off the PASS. he needs to learn how to be unselfish anyway.
    pf=Taylor-not the best rebounder but decent 4th option offensively and if he gets on a roll..watch out
    C=Ming-needs alot of work but still has fundamentals to expand his game He WILL get better and the sky is the limit,but right now needs to "feel" the NBA game more til he is the Man. Look at shaq and how long it took before the lights really came on in his game. Strength conditioning a must.

    Rudy has to get firmer with the team, crack the whip a little and see how the team responds.
     
  3. blacksteel69

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    Don't Hate on Rudy. Maybe he needs to change his approach a little(or alot) but I really dont see anyone available to do a better job. Hey Alvin Gentry is available or how about the coach,...oh whats his name, the guy that guaranteed the playoffs for Atlanta. He might guarantee a playoff for the Rockets too;)
    Seriously though who else is ou there that can come into Houston and Conform and win like everyone wants us too? Why dont we just switch coferences instead then Rudy would be hailed as an expert in his craft right? No , probably not , oh well. maybe we can get a new coach like Musselman to babysit these kids to becoming winners. On paper the rocks look great but they dont play that way consistently. Maybe all we really need is the false hope of another lottery pick. :eek:
     
  4. blacksteel69

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    maybe we really need to realize that despite the inconsistencies Rudy is still the best man for the job when you cut it down to size.
     
  5. jkckwong

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    Re the above paragraph "Rudy is not an X' ....... , and that's obvious", I want to share with you guys my response to a post on another site, as follows:

    XXXXX wrote:
    Spurs game 3/02/03:

    Originally posted by XXXXXX
    During the timeout both benches are gathered and huddled. Meanwhile, the Spurs (ahead by 15 at this point) are focused on the coach and obviously tuned into the coach and not paying attention to the goings on at midcourt. Meanwhile on the other side, the entire Rockets bench and some starters, are peeking and watching the break dancers at mid court, while Rudy is drawing on the clip board. To make it even worse, two of the starters were watching the dancers and not watching Rudy. Heck, even one of the coaches was not paying attention to Rudy.

    Posted by XXXXXXX:
    I was at the game and I saw that too. Spurs had just made a run and Rudy called a TO to "fix it". We take the ball out under the spurs goal, the spurs go to a full court press and we get called for an 8 second penalty. Way to come out of a time out. The break dancers were great and the Power Dancers are hot, but they're for the beer swiggin' fans (like myself), not the players.

    BTW, the Rockets were NEVER in the game. The spurs let up at the end to make the score a little closer. We were NEVER in it.

    Jkckwong wrote:
    Rudy T must be instructing the team a game plan to catch up with the Spurs. It is rediculous that we do have the entire bench, 2 starters and an assistant coach not paying attention but wathcing the break dancers at mid-court! Shame shame shame shame shame on them.

    I do want to know their names. I suggest their names be made known here so that we know who these irresponsible guys are. It is a very serious matter. RudyT, do you surf here? I hope you would be aware of this absurdity. This is probably a reason why your great plans not been fully implemented. Remember at the Utah game, no one fouled Malone and costed the game - that player, or players who was/were close to and could have fouled Malone, might just had not listen to your instruction and were watching the dancers.
     
  6. jkckwong

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    Yes, I have the same feeling. I am getting frustrated at each loss of the Rockets, in particular, most losses were due to the same old silly and stupid selfish iso basketball. Yet we hear nothing from the management what would be done to address these problems. At least they should tell us how they would address the problem. What I've heard so far (I might miss something) was problems were generalized, young and inexperienced players, needed time to gel, be patient etc etc. Why can't they be more specific?

    If the Rockets are still not playing basketball in the right manner by the end of the regular season, I think RudyT must go. Any qualified coach should be able to make a team playing basketball in the right manner after 82 games. If he can't, he's not qualified. Period.
     
  7. jkckwong

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    Dallas Rockets wrote:

    ** Witness our dysfunctional, confused offense
    ** Witness our lack of effort and preparation
    ** Witness a defense that's regressing
    ** Witness a team that doesn't play like a team
    ** Witness our pathetic assist/game total -also regressing
    ** Except for Yao, witness a team that is not learning and growing
    ** Witness a team that barely beats the 8 second shot clock over midcourt
    ** Witness a team with a soft defense that produces few turnovers despite incredible athletic ability from our 1-2 & 3
    ** Witness a team without leadership on the court or from the bench


    If I am still witnessing most of these by the end of the regular season, RudyT and those ballhog selfish players must go.
     
  8. jkckwong

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    I don't think this petition is ridiculous. It is appropriate. The only thing I don't agree with is the timing of submission. IF THE ROCKETS ARE STILL NOT PLAYING BASKETBALL IN THE RIGHT MANNER BY THE END OF THE REGULAR SEASON, COUNT ME IN, I'LL GIVE MY FULL SUPPORT TO THE PETITION. I don't mind whether the Rockets would be in the playoffs this season, provided that they start PLAYING BASKETBALL IN THE RIGHT MANNER ASAP.
     
  9. chingchingyao

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    It's not their fault they're ballhog selfish players (i think you mean Mobley and Francis)

    Rudy T started them being ballhog/selfish a year or 2 ago with his ISO offense.

    He's been ISO since 14 years ago when he started and had success w/ it. Why would he change now? Have you ever seen Rudy w/o using the ISO 75% of the time? I watched when he coached the USA bball teams and they used a lot of ISO too. It was a good strategy when zone defense wasn't available.

    But I want to give Rudy time because Yao Ming is 1st year, Ming and the team might still do great in ISO, and the Rox may need some more time in using Yao at his best.

    I give Rudy T and his ISO till next year to make the playoffs, if they don't make it this year.

    I give Rudy T less than that if they don't make the playoffs, Golden State passes them up and Rockets lose 60% of the rest of the games.

    Actually I think China would twist Les Alexander's hand to fire Rudy T after next year if they don't make playoffs this season and next season.
     
    #229 chingchingyao, Mar 4, 2003
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  10. jo mama

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    having the chinese government intervene on this matter is even more far fetched than the petition.

    rudy t is not going anywhere this year. in my opinion, if we miss playoffs he should go, but im sure that he wont. mobley or francis will be traded first.
     
  11. kotarskj

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    Jeez, after all these years reading CC, this may be my first post. Guess I just want to see the Rockets do well, but firing Rudy won't help the cause.

    Like all businesses, pro sports has a "what have you done for me lately" kind of attitude. I understand that. But the pool of decent pro head coaches is nearly empty. Who are we going to hire? Paul Westphal? PJ Carlissimo? Give me a break! Maybe Rudy's lost some of his edge, I don't know. But the man is a Rockets legend and led the Rockets to two NBA titles. Very few of the chumps coaching other NBA teams (or calling games on TNT when they get fired) can claim the same thing.

    Rudy is a player's coach. We know this. But when the players don't listen to him, or play selfish basketball, there's little he can do. I'm one of those who believe that we shouldn't expect so much out of so young a team. Especially in the West, where "good" frequently is "not good enough."

    Give them some time. I know we'd all like to see them in the playoffs this year. But if we fire Rudy, that won't be this year. And it probably won't be next year. And then we'll all be calling for the head of the new head coach that was supposed to be our savior.
     
  12. Rockets-R-Us

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    kotarskj -

    Those of us who remain in support of a coaching change in spite of all the arguments about Rudy's history with the Rockets are probably just as fervent in our position as those opposed (and probably more so...).

    One thing I want to emphasize is that I don't believe Rudy's two championships over 8 years ago should be a factor in whether he gets a chance to have a 5th season of not making the playoffs.

    The ONLY way that I can even remotely envision Rudy staying if we don't make the playoffs is if there are MAJOR personnel changes on the team. But, since I don't believe the Rockets are prepared to revamp the team again this soon, I am hopeful that the organization can find someone like Musselman in Golden State to motivate the A-holes on this team (not speaking of Yao or Cato or T-Mo or Hawkins...)!!

    Anyway, the petition is now well over 40 names and counting. I suspect that each loss will bring another 5-10 names, so I'm sure that by the end of the season we will have over 100 people asking the media to take notice of an organized effort by the fans requesting a change be made!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    We just got that Kahlid Muhammed guy.
    Rudy T and Bin Laden ought to be next.
     
  14. dn1282

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    I think Hakeem and Clyde led the Rockets to the titles. Hell, if Rudy was coaching the same way he did then as he does now...then Clutch the Bear could have done the same things in 94 and 95...
     
  15. Rockets-R-Us

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    Just want everyone to know that the names keep coming and we're now over 40 and growing. I am planning to send this to a few more reporters in another few days.

    The worse this team plays the more support the petition will get.

    And for anyone who still isn't on board, all I have to say is that Rudy has demonstrated an incredible inability to get this team prepared to play HARD from the opening tip off of WAY TOO MANY games!!!

    I have ignored all of the comments about Rudy drinking again, but I think now it could be at least part of the reason that his decision making is THIS bad.

    This team is truly sad right now!!

    :( :( :( :( :(
     
  16. studogg

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    signed, sealed delivered I'm yours
     
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    Wow! I did not know our team is this bad? I guess I must come back to reality and accept the cold hard fact. The way it is looking now, We will be lottery bound without a first and second round pick, and no cap space to sign new players save for MDL guys.

    Titanic......
     
  18. Lennyuh

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    As a Laker fan I'm absolutely loving this. Please let Rudy coach the Rockets as long as he wants to. He'll end up driving this franchise into the ground. To all of you loser Rocket fans just remember this, Hakeem won you two championships not Rudy. You guys will be looking up at the Golden State Warriors after this week is over.:D
     
  19. jo mama

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    stu dog, im disappionted and shocked!
     
  20. Actsao

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    Clutch, that April's Fool joke you did in 95 or 96 (forgot what yr) will actually make a lot folks here really happy if you repeat that again this year.

    Very fustrating to watch the Rockets lately.
    It just seems like most of our players are just plain stupid by repeating the mistakes over and over again. Clueless of what's going on in games.

    What does it matter when Moochie said "my bad", all the time, nothing changed the next time down the court, he either turned the ball over or making an uncatchable pass or fouling someone while attempting a 3pt.

    The are no consequences for "my bads". I can say that all day long if every wrong I did will be forgiven simply by saying so.

    If someone does not this post, "My bad"
     
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