You're nuts if you think Scola wouldn't have been a major minutes player in Portland... Either he would've started alongside Aldridge, or he would've logged 30ish minutes off the bench. He's a better player than Oden (but so is Przybilla, so I don't know if that's saying much).
Some big guys take longer. Look at a guy like donyell marshall. Traded as a rookie, wasn't that good is gsw, then goes to utah and turns into a pretty good player. When you get a guy like frye who had a pretty good rookie yr, is hurt and loses his spot the next, and is traded to a team loaded with good young bigs, his development was stunted. Still, at 24 is still young enough to start his progress back up. He will now go to phoenix, play well, and people on this board will talk about his stats being inflated and what not.
He actually did well his first year in GS, avg about 15 per, he just had two bad seasons there out of his 6. He's a bad example because he's had somewhat of an up and down career. It's not like he sucked his first few years and then broke through the rest of his career. He feeds off of others, so with the right players around him he did well, with the wrong ones he struggled. Plus, he's not a center, not sure i'd consider him a "big guy" unless it's his height i'm refering to. He's not the same kind of "big guy" as Frye is or as PFs and centers.
The guy seems interesting....7'3 and athletic could fit with our new running style.....and his only 24....we should invite him to training camp to see how he does
7'3"...24 years old...... athletic..... the guy could be dumber than rocks and i would still throw the minimum his way to let him play 10 minutes a game just to have some sort of shot blocking and such. if nothing else let him be a project to be yaos backup, hes got the body, it just sounds like hes still raw, but i trust the rockets could tenderize this guy rather nicely
Looking at the present roster of the team. The glaring problem is at the 5. He is a 7 footer and quite athletic and would probably come cheap for a year or two then it would be smart to at least invite him to camp and further evaluate his skills. Use him in the pre season and hope he delivers.
Ga, you people are impossible to please! Look, here is the deal. It is common knowledge we aren't going to win any championships this season. With that said, instead of planning for today, we plan for tomorrow. We do this by acquiring assets. Look at our roster, it screams assets -- not all stars. Lets play out a scenario in which we pick up Ramos. That gives us, at the 5 spot for this season.... Anderson, Ramos, Hayes, Dorsey Slide Hayes to the 4 slot just for the purpose of conversation and that leaves you with 3. Fast forward past this season and into 2011 when Yao makes his heroic return like everyone is crossing their fingers for and boom.....You have just created massive depth and have a C to unload with the likes of...whats his name....oh yea! T-Mac. Pick up Ramos this season our roster looks like the following 09/10 season AB/KL Budinger/Taylor/TMac? Ariza/Battier Landry/Scola/Hayes Anderson/Ramos/Dorsey So lets say Ramos develops, but Dorsey seriously shows up... AB/KL Budinger/Taylor Ariza/Battier Landry/Scola/Anderson Yao/Anderson/Dorsey This leaves us with Ramos (a 7ftr), T-Mac, and Hayes to trade. A pretty solid package that could quite easily fetch an all-star caliber player to joing yao in 2011. Obviously, you can rework these names however you choose, but the point is, at the end of the day...the Rockets are acquiring potential assets. Either way, there will be no Championship this season, so let DM and Les play their chess game and relax.
His measurements impressed me a bit 7'2 (7'3 in shoes) with a 7'5.5 (7'6) wingspan.... note that this measurements came in when he was 19 yrs old....in the 2004 NBA draft
I just realized I might be the only person here who's actually seen Ramos play in person. I saw him play against the Austin Toros in the D-League a few years back. Wish I could say I remember anything about him besides his size. Actually, the only reason I remember him at all is because of what a strange looking cat he was/is.
You can't possibly believe this, can you? I mean, the argument might be close with Landry...though even still, in their most "comparable" years minutes wise (Frye's first two years as compared to Carl this year), they scored and rebounded at similar rates. The difference being, Carl shot 57% whereas Frye shot 47% and 43%. And Channing has continued to prove that he is a horribly inefficient scoring big man. And to make it worse, Frye hunts for shots way more than Carl. He shot 1.3x as often per minute this past season as Carl did, and did say way way way less effectively. We're not talking about his average going down because he's taking a bunch of threes, we're not talking about a guy hoisting up shots at the end of the shot clock because the ball is usually in his hand....we're talking about a really really inefficient offensive player. Add in average rebounding and below average defense, it's no surprise that on a team short in the frontcourt department (Pryz, Aldridge, Oden when healthy...?), Fyre's minutes continued to go down. I'm having a hard time understanding why you are pushing for this guy? I know you like to push the team to go younger, but it is usually younger, more athletic and with upside. Frye has no upside. He's not the next Jermaine O'Neal. Arguing Scola wouldn't get significant PT on pretty much any team in the league is laughable. Maybe a handful of teams out there that wouldn't need him, but Portland sure isn't one of them.
Jay, I'm not really arguing the merits vs the low risk gamble on a young guy vs a older guy. We're in the business of finding out about players for next year. So all I was saying is compile younger guys that haven't reached their peak and see what you have. I mean if andersen sux, its the same except he's 30. It doesn't really matter now, I was just merely saying that I would rather litter the roster with more young big guys in light we might come out with something more than matt bonner like CH says andersen might be. Given the 20 games I watched this weekend of andersen, that's a stretch.
anybody who watched the Portland series and saw LaMarcus AL-Ri-ge get prison raped in the post by Scola and Landry to a lesser extent would not make this assertion.
If we look at 2011 we wont have Tracy to trade along with one of those centers. The only way thats happening if they develop fast before February 2010 and then we can package them with Tracy. They still would be able to even if they don't develop just would be less desirable, it would be more of a salary/roster spot dump. Unless of course you want the organization to resign Tracy and then trade him...0_o
Just thought of this, with Yao Tracy Battier Scola Ariza AB Lowry Landry Budinger Taylor Hayes Andersen Barry Cook Dorsey James White (non guaranteed) That is 16 including White, unless we are getting rid of Cook and Barry in the trade that Morey was talking about making before camp I think, Ramos would only be a training camp invite. But yeah, that is definitely a lot of assets
