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  1. basketballholic

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    Can you even spell perspective?



    Sorry for the huge mistake. We are 4 games from the 8th seed and the precipice of the lottery.
     
  2. count_dough-ku

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    You know, there is middle ground between championship or bust. Last year, most of us didn't expect a title(well, other than JVG). Sure, we hoped for the best, but I'm pretty sure the consensus was they were a 2nd round team that needed a few more pieces(and experience). But IMO they underachieved by losing in the first round to an even less experienced Blazers team despite having home court advantage. Many of us were expecting 2nd round and they didn't even give us that.

    After last offseason's disaster, I didn't expect the Rockets to be any better this year. Perhaps a win total close to last season's, but a 2nd round team at best. Maybe we were given false hope with the early season success and the additions of Brewer and Smith. But on the other hand, maybe not. We've shown this year we can play great defense when we try. Last year we were dominated by the likes of OKC and Memphis. This year we've turned the tables. Harden is even better. D-Mo has developed a solid post game. The bench is deeper.

    I don't know. Is it really so unreasonable to have higher expectations? Or that the very least equal to last year's? If we're first round fodder yet again this season, what excuses will we hear this time? That they need another year? That they lack a 3rd superstar(as if every team that wins a playoff series has one)? That there's simply not enough talent on the roster? That we as fans are demanding too much? I'm sick of excuses. I've been hearing them for nearly 20 years. I want results. If the roster and coaching staff aren't up to snuff, replace them with personnel that is. Otherwise the organization is wasting everyone's time.
     
  3. dobro1229

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    Who said I was offended? All it says to me is that I'm glad the majority of CF's posters aren't the GM of the team, and it shows you that most fans are knee jerk.

    Harden had a bad year defensively. Like really, really bad. That being said, you should take a step back, evaluate the situation, and make a reasonable decision before doing something stupid like trading your superstar for the sake of trading him just because of one particular detail that can be fixed.

    The truth is trading Harden would have, and would still be idiotic. Its knee jerk reactions that just want people to get a quick fix solution to a problem. That problem being not enough glory to the city of Houston, or not getting the fixation you need in your personal life to feel like a winner as a fan of your hometown team.

    Take a step back. Breathe a bit. And see the entire spectrum.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaGUr6wzyT8
     
  4. J Sizzle

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    The only perspective I've gathered lately is that the Harden/Howard era is looking grim in terms of title hopes.

    The Rockets abandoned the defensive identity they had from the start of the season, and we just don't have the playmaking that's necessary to hang with the best teams in the league on a consistent basis. Too many one way players that lead to overall ineffective units.
     
  5. Texanasiafan

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    So, it is what it is, expectation.

    If your real expectation for this team is probably advance to the second round and then hope for the best,

    hey I got news for you, the west this year is more wide open than the last few years.

    As good as GSW's record looks, many people will still have huge question mark on them whether their style will work in the playoff.

    The spurs are down this year, so are the clippers and thunder. Those teams, actually most people will think they are more dangerous teams in the playoff and currently guess what? They are all having worse record than the Rockets.

    The Hawks are currently the no. 1 power ranking team in most boards but most casino still have the Cavs has lower odds to win it all than the Hawks.

    So, the bottom line is :

    The Rockets is not a dominated team, yes we may have a dominated offensive player in Harden, but this team has more other weakness than a few other NBA teams, if anyone's expectation will be for the Rox to be a dominate championship or bust team, well you will be disappointed.

    If not, this is the season should have the expectation of : well, lets be healthy and try to improve and get in the playoff and see if we will play at the peak at that time.
     
  6. jbasket

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    Yea, not going to lie, but I have left the GARM with this anti-Dwight crap. Never seen somebody get so much hate after averaging 26-13-3 in the previous playoffs. Go lurk the Vipers forum with me! :)
     
  7. RoxBeliever

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    Morey looks at evidence.

    He should look at the teams that have made great strides this year. GSW, ATL, even TOR. They hired good coaches who put in good schemes that can weather cold-shooting nights, Heck, TOR's Duane Casey even interviewed for us. Young coaches. Not All-Star types. Winning makes the players love them.

    All rosters are imperfect. But real coaches make them work.

    We keep preaching ball movement but coaches can't get the players to do it. We keep preaching defense, but it has been slipping. We keep playing the same players and expect things to be different.

    Who's in charge of getting things done? When will we hold the coaches accountable?
     
  8. Texanasiafan

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    ATL has exactly the same coach and players last year, other than Horford was hurt.

    Tor was the best team in the east the first 2 months, now their fans are yelling louder than the fans here to fire their coach and disband their team also.

    The grass is not always greener on the other side.
     
  9. SF3isBack!!

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    This whole knee jerk card thing is getting out of hand. How is bad defense for two years and not showing up for two playoffs in a row Knee Jerk? Listen I'm all for Harden I'm one of those who thought he was better than George. But who's to say if George didn't get injured that he wouldn't be in the MVP conversation as well? It's a damn trade scenario based on what people want their team to look like. No everything is Knee Jerk some people say the same things they have been saying for awhile. I personally hated Mchale since day one, he is still a head scratch-er of a choice for a contending team. It's just weird.
     
  10. Bball_Gill

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    I would like to say that this says it all, but then I would have no reason to post :)

    I'm beginning to feel a bit of deja vu.

    Assemble a team with arguably the best center teamed with arguably the best two guard. The end results were no where near what one might expect.

    Injuries bring that whole experiment to a halt, so we rinse and repeat. Looks like the same result.
     
  11. ktex

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    One of the biggest issues is, we are team based around the 3pt shot yet we don't have ANY good 3pt shooters. Not one.
     
  12. dobro1229

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    -Making a case for the Rockets to upgrade the coaching position for 3 years isn't a knee jerk reaction.
    -Advocating the Rockets to adjust their defensive schemes from last year was not knee jerk.

    -Making a case the Rockets should trade James Harden for Kevin Love after a couple bad games in the playoffs was. Not just because of James Harden's defense, but because the alternative to James Harden was lunacy, and the people suggesting it were really just jumping on a more popular bandwagon at the time.

    Sorry, I'm calling that one BS. Its embarrassing that we have fans here that are that well respected being that lead the sheep off the cliff's so easily.

    Reg. the McHale situation: As you mentioned yourself... many people like yourself hated McHale since day 1. The guy never had a chance with alot of you guys. You'd want his head on a spike just because. I don't know why... I know alot of the old timers hated him from the Celtics/Rockets in the late 80's. Who knows. But it shows through pretty blatantly. You guys can't just admit that you don't like him, and have to try and come up with some BS about his substitution patterns, when he calls time outs, his plays, or whatever. Just grow up and admit you don't like the guy.
     
  13. LabMouse

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    Perspective for what? Another first-round playoff exit, is this good for you? Current team more looks like this kind of team.
     
  14. Remii

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    Yea... And this is a football town so that's probably why you understood their point of view. Lol... And Lance Stevenson isn't on that team anymore either.
     
  15. vbpepper

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    Point Guard

    Sorry to post this if already done, but I am tired of Beverly, and his supposed defense. If he can't stop anyone (Curry for example), why is he on the court. He is not a point guard, and merely bothers the crap out of everyone giving them incentive to go harder. Tired of his annoying looks after he does something (not much lately), like "I am such a bad ass".
    IMHO the Rockets need Canaan on the floor, or Johnson, or the new guy. He is at least tall and runs the "offense". Beverly is just out of control.
     
  16. Carl Herrera

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    It will be nice next year when we hang that 7th place banner onto the rafters.
     
  17. marky :)

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    You guys are totally looking at it the wrong way. Here's a quote we need to live by for the Rockets.

    "I found that if you have a goal, you might not reach it. But if you don't have one, then you are never disappointed." - Peter La Fleur Dodgeball
     
  18. SF3isBack!!

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    This is not true. Why do you think like this. We don't like Mchale Because he is not a good coach. He wasn't good in Minnesota so why Morey assumed he would begood here is beyond me. Maybe they just wanted a big name. If the dude was good I would love him, I have no reason to hate Mchales coaching just because. He is a nice guy but not the coach you want. That statement is ridiculous.
     
  19. jogo

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    This is the truth. We win or lose with the 3. Our starters were 5-15 from 3 last night. That gets us in a hole. Our backups were much better and that's why the game ended closer than it was.

    If we were shooting 38% or better from 3 with our starters then the game last night probably would've been much closer. But we miss some 3's, the gap widens, and then we're blown out.
     
  20. SF3isBack!!

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    Also to be fair they watched Harden's Atrocious D for 3 months at that point not just a couple of bad games. And they were right that bad defense continued for another year and a half. George played both sides of the floor. I myself was such a homer when it came to Harden that I refused to see his bad defense. Truth was George at that point was the better overall player because he played both sides of the floor.
     

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