personal experience on why everyone needs health insurance

You tend to show the shallowness of your thinking when you use lump generalizations for people and categorize all changes to the status quo as "liberal"(and then you confirm it with you unfunny personal retorts). If you think any issue is black and white, liberal or conservative, totally altruistic or totally corrupt, you probably just don't understand all the competing constituencies.

All insurance is a shared risk system program, it's just a matter of whether you want to have the profit factor of a private system or the efficiency but limited means of a public system. Either way there will be a rationing of health care because the ability to provide care cannot meet the unlimited need. One way is oriented toward the self, I can afford mine so screw the rest of the people that don't, and one way is shared. Maybe conservative is a code your word for egocentric.

People organize government to maximize their efforts to achieve a greater good .... and then it all gets contorted by corruption but I digress.

My point is you should probably post less, and not because I disagree with you on this issue but because you need some intellectual seasoning and a more empathetic understanding of the real lives of the people around you. As you post right now you just seem like an ass and you influence no one.

 

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It's supremely awesome to me when a resentful youngster like Southern Select/Artesticle/Shovel Face reads a few things on Ron Paul's website and then thinks he has unlocked the mystery of economics etc.

Go forth young man and profit from your hyper-awesome understanding of markets.

Or, hang back and smirk at the stupid liberals who are holding back your natural badassitude.

 

It's even much easier than that. Just hang around the stupid liberals for a good while and you will never want to be like one.

 

Look at plastic surgeons. They aren't covered by anyone, yet they still make tons from people who can afford it.

If I'm a really good surgeon, and I see an opportunity to make more by going private vs. being salary-capped by staying with the new public system, what do think I'm going to do?

If I need a hip replacement now, or heart-surgery, etc. and I'm told I'll have a 4 month wait, where do you think I'm going to go?

In the end, I see this really changing nothing. Those that can afford better coverage will always get it. Those that can make more for their services typically go to the higher paying job.

 

Wow! Dubious being clear and on target. Nothing dubious about that opinion.

 

Those who have the money will always get the best service, that is nothing new. However, if we do provide a public or coop option, the bottom 10% will have a much better coverage. Why do we want to be the most powerful nation on earth? Is it so that we cannot even cover our own citizen's medical treatments?

 

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book your place at E-thugz mansion you badass you

 

I think it will just clog up the system, and it won't get back to "normal" until the private practices are opened. In the meantime, our parents and grandparents could be a world of hurt if they need something immediately done.

There has to be some cost outlay for this to work. I've suggested public CYA insurance for everyone with a 5-10,000 deductible for all but the destitute. I'd be totally fine with that.

Providing everything for free creates massive log-jams. Other countries have shown this.

 

Just putting in my own personal experience, Canada does have pretty bad waiting times but I personally think it's worth it. That's pretty much why I'm an advocate for socialized medicine.

There's also a big distinction that needs to be made; Canadian medicare will provide for you if the operation in question is necessary, but you're (from my understanding) on your own if you need say, breast augmentation or laser eye surgery or teeth whitening. This creates an unheralded benefit in that there's a disincentive to pursue such things...and so more resources are being spent on worthwhile initiatives.

 

I never said it should be free. You can charge Co pay, deductibles etc according to your income level (like the tax system), which is what I do today with my insurance.

 

It is the same in the U.S. for those procedures.

 

Is shovel face TJ or bigtexx?

 

Really?

I always kinda assumed that with so many different insurance packages, cosmetic procedures have to be covered by someone out there.

 

now that's hilarious.

 

I think artesticle/southern select.

 

I don't think either. Sad as it is, TJ and bigtexx aren't stupid. They're just narrow minded, dishonest and kind of asshat-ish.

Shovel Face seems to be a straight up moron. If he's not, I apologize...just the way it appears.

 

People like him are actually influencing others around them -- but I believe it is having a completely opposite effect from what they intend (unless they merely seek to irritate and further isolate themselves in an every-smaller group.)

 

Yes, we call that the Basso effect

 

Liberals don't live in those places to **** things up.