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personal experience on why everyone needs health insurance

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rockbox, Oct 22, 2009.

  1. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    None of these situations would have been solved by our current system in the US. The reason there are less lines in the US is because some people can't afford to get in line. In countries where there is government run health, there is always an option to get supplemental insurance. So if you or your company can afford it, they can get private insurance.
     
  2. Shovel Face

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    Tax people less, open the markets and more could afford it.
     
  3. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    The people who can't afford now don't pay little taxes so I doubt they will be able to pay for it if you lower their taxes. Health insurance runs about 300 bucks a month for a healthy young person. A person making 10 bucks an hour isn't going to be able to afford that.
     
  4. SirCharlesFan

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    not remotely true
     
  5. juicystream

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    Back in the day when I worked for them, they would never schedule me full-time hours when I was part-time, but they would always ask me to stay late, or come in on days off that often caused me to work full-time hours. They said I could switch to full-time, but then I risked having it interfere with my classes. I just suggest that she talk to the assistant manager she is under or the personnel department to get it changed. The health coverage through Wal-Mart will still suck or be expensive relative to her pay though. Unfortunately there is great coverage for the really poor through the government, but nothing for the people right above them.
     
  6. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Insurance that actually pays for normal doctor visits for things like the flu sure does. I'm not talking about ones that have thousand dollar deductibles.
     
  7. juicystream

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    Depends on the plan you get. Mine is paid my employer as part of our group coverage, but its over $300 and its only good insurance in terms of catastrophic. When I was looking at plans for my wife it was as low as $100, for worthless coverage(i.e. limit on doctor visits, $50 co-pay, $10,000 deductible).
     
  8. Rashmon

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    You have not been paying attention, have you?
     
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    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Where is the link to your true stories? I think we might be able to post links to true stories about how many millions of Americans go bankrupt due to medical bills, how many Americans get dumped in alleys or die without treatment because they don't have medical insurance, and how many Americans die because insurance companies deny coverage on pre-existing condition or for any other reason they can think to deny coverage because it's too expensive. All of these people are glad to trade for profit insurance companies for the man who will treat them, no questions asked.
     
  10. Shovel Face

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    Here comes the liberal circular argument focus change. I was waiting for it. The thread titles states everyone needs health insurance, but when you assert that this could be better accomplished though other mean than a government takeover the argument becomes "private insurance is evil". The thread title should really be "the government should pay and run your health care".
     
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    Health insurance can be quite a joke because of this.
     
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    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Still waiting for your link.

    Private insurance isn't evil but it is for profit and when the for profit motive prevails over the health of patients then that's a problem. I also find it hilarious you use the word evil. Putting things on terms like evil is such a lame conservative political tactic. Responsible people don't throw out the evil card any time they want to make a point about something.
     
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    And you think corporations are somehow more trustworthy with life and death decisions. I was days away from being permanently paralyzed because some idiots at my insurance company decided that surgery on what was thought to be an ACL tear could wait a few months. Fortunately, after lots of hasseling and calls we got through and got it done, and fortunately for me it was discovered that I had a fracture that had to get fixed ASAP.

    Corporations that naturally look after their pocket books are no better than your paranoid fear of government. The fact that they can deny insurance for basically anything they want just adds insult to injury. The system is broken but you can go ahead and keep burying your head in the sand. Keep chanting that free market mantra, maybe one day it'll work.
     
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    and from the link...

    not that there aren't many horrific examples of botched medical treatments in all countries...but these ain't them.
     
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    The funniest part is that is referring to a Libertarian style of Health Care, not Socialist.

    Not only were they fake examples, they have nothing to do with Sweden.
     
  17. Shovel Face

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    I believe the source is at the bottom of the page.
     
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    I think we don't really need any health insurance. The Republican plan of if you get sick you die is a great plan. It will reduce over population, cause less green house effect, give the ones still left alive more job opportunities, what is not to like about that great plan.
     
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    Here's how I see it panning out:

    Government gives everyone healthcare. Long lines abound everywhere. Generic drugs are available for free or a nominal cost. New drugs cost the same as they do now, only your insurance no longer covers it; kinda like it is now.

    The best and brightest doctors move to private practices for people that don't want to wait. Health insurance companies work out insurance for these new "private practices." and new drug costs. Folks needing immediate care that couldn't afford "private" health insurance throw their life savings into a private practice; kinda like now

    After a few years, anyone who can afford private health insurance gets it. The others deal with long lines at the public hospitals. Most of the poor die before ever receiving treatment; kinda like now.

    Liberals complain about the new public healthcare system.
     
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    So this is happening all over the world in countries like Cananda, France, England, Denmark, Japan, etc right now?
     
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