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perhaps real reason CDR fell to #40

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by DOMINATOR, Jun 28, 2008.

  1. moestavern19

    moestavern19 Member

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    Rush is in Indiana dawg.

    :p
     
  2. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    LOL. My expertise knows no bounds! That is hilarious.

    What do you think of my version of "best?" Minutes & points. It's a push unless one player is better in both categories. Or PER, efficiency? Ugh...

    I think Rush might get more run in Indiana actually, for a better organization, than CDR in New Jersey, but I'm still game...
     
  3. moestavern19

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    It would be difficult to really judge I suppose if one gets extensive minutes and the other does not.

    But I think at the end of the season the stats will speak for themselves.

    Perhaps an NBA dish poll to decide the fate if too close to call?
     
  4. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Nah, b/c everyone seems to hate CDR and love Rush, for whatever reason. Seriously, that's no tie-breaker for me.

    How's this. I wager that CDR will best Brandon Rush next season in each of the following: points, FG%, and minutes played. Loser has to put in sig, for one month: "moestavern19/B-Bob is an NBA knowledge hoss. I print out his NBA Dish posts, save them in a scrapbook, and study them every morning before meditating."

    You, moes, win if I'm wrong about any of those three stats. LOL. If I actually win that bet, you are so pwned.

    Of course... Brandon is playing behind Jack & Daniels... potent whiskey combo.

    CDR will be playing behind (?) Snachbar! LOL.
     
  5. SamFisher

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    Why don't you just use a nerd stat like PER and base it on a 800 minute minimum or something. You being a nerd and such.....
     
  6. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Rush will not get 800 minutes, and moes could skate.
    Telling...

    I would go for PER, with minimum 300 minutes, if Moe insists. PER is a little too nerdy for me, but then you can give Rush credit for all his great assists and rebounds, right? (by the way, PER 27.4 to 20.6 in favor of CDR last year... I'm just sayin')
     
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  7. SamFisher

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    You can't see the forest throught the trees. Remove your monocle and instead take a peek through the camera obscura......simply lower the minimum minutes requirement.

    I believe a great man, Cicero in fact, once said "Fish are made to swim, and Nerd stats like PER shall be used to settle internet BBS sig bets amongst nerds"
     
  8. Precision340

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    sometimes you can tell how successful a person will be by the their attitude.. i hope he takes this as motivation to work hard and prove people wrong
     
  9. moestavern19

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    If you two are done flexing your hippocampi on Cerebellum Beach.... I'll accept the Pts/FG%/Min wager and terms of the bet.
     
  10. Rockets Jones

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    Thanks for the info and great the Rockets passed up on him.
     
  11. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    cool. Now all we have to do is flipping remember! May the biggest NBA genius win.

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  12. leebigez

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    B-Bob- I kinda flow like that too.Sometimes people say something without facts and everyone jumps on. Case and point , shane battier. If u listen to a lot of people on thisboard, he's the kobe stopper or the reason the are really good defensively, but reality is that kobe avg 35ppg now as opposed to 27 pre shane. Not to mention the rox were a top 5 defense in ppg and fg% 4yrs prior to Shane or VanGundy arrival. I really think people forget that.
     
  13. moestavern19

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    Now you really know you're trouble Robert.
     
  14. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    We had the same response to that post. On my end, it was kind of a "what have I done?" feeling.

    But I will honor the bet no matter what. :(
     
  15. moestavern19

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    I would not think less of you as a nerd if you wanted to back out now given the grievous circumstances. :cool:
     
  16. jlaw718

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    Damn it. I forgot about that exception! :D
     
  17. Deckard

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    I get that feeling quite often, B-Bob, right after hitting submit. Usually when making a post in response to Batman. Good luck!
     
  18. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    :p A bet's a bet. When leebigez and I are done, um, flowing, you won't know what hit you. :eek:
     
  19. Carl Herrera

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    They were not a top 5 defensive team becasue the stats you picked were very flawed. Instead, the year before Van Gundy's arrival, they played at a slow pace and was mediocre in points per possession because even if their opposing FG% was low-- teams can do that by giving up too many 3s and FTs.



    Defensive Points Per 100 Possession Rank:
    1999-2000: 19th (Opponent FG% 15th)
    2000-2001: 17th (Opponent FG% 21st)
    2001-2002: 29th (DEAD LAST!) (Opponent FG%: 28th)
    2002-2003: 14th (Opponent FG% 5th)
    2003-2004: 5th (Opponent FG% 5th)
    2004-2005: 4th (Opponent FG% 2nd)
    2005-2006: 6th (opponent FG% 2nd)
    2006-2007: 3rd (opponent FG% 1st)
    2007-2008: 2nd (opponent FG% 2nd)


    There was a clear jump in the year 2003-2004 (Van Gundy arrival). While the D has been good since then, the Rockets moved further up since Battier's arrival.

    The chart also shows that while defensive FG% is correlated with points per possession, it can be quite misleading.
     
  20. TheFreak

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    You can also appear to be a better defensive team than you really are by abandoning offensive rebounding and starting a backup center defensive specialist at the 4 spot.
     

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