1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

People v. Pau Gasol

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by SamFisher, Jun 18, 2008.

Tags:
  1. A_3PO

    A_3PO Member

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2006
    Messages:
    46,754
    Likes Received:
    12,291
    The fact Pau missed the WC game and they won without him makes you wonder.
     
  2. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    61,862
    Likes Received:
    41,376
    Of course, neither Kwame Brown nor anybody else on the lakers not named Kobe is making the maximum salary.

    Pau's role was to take pressure of Kobe and be the inside/outside threat while Kobe is double teamed. Not just to be a role player at it, but to be a franchise-level player while doing it. THat's why he makes max money.

    Of COURSE he's being held to a higher standard. Goes with the territory.
     
  3. TmacsRockets

    TmacsRockets Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2008
    Messages:
    472
    Likes Received:
    2
    Gasol averaged 17 and 10 for the playoffs and 15 and 10 in the finals. Kobe shot 40% which is ridiculous.
     
  4. david_rocket

    david_rocket Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2003
    Messages:
    9,488
    Likes Received:
    834
    Gasol and all the lakers team (except kobe and fisher) were scared to play in the NBA finals, they were scared to play on the big stage.
     
  5. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    61,862
    Likes Received:
    41,376
    Gasol was putting up 22 ppg in the first round - it all went downhill from there, down to 17 ppg then to 13 and to 14 and change.

    Kobe did shoot crappy - of course that's becuase he was forced to score all of their points while triple teamed because Pau the $15 million dollar max deal man was putting up Andre Kirilenko output.

    SOme of you guys are acting like he's Chuck Hayes. Do you rembmer him n Memphis? This was a franchise player who could put up 20 ppg.
     
  6. Mango

    Mango Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 1999
    Messages:
    10,189
    Likes Received:
    5,636
    Gasol in the First Round vs Gasol in the Finals?

    The Nuggets don't compare at all to the Celtics when it comes to Defense. Once Pau had to actually work for his points, he struggled.


    Will he do better next season? Probably not because that would require a significant change in approach & attitude.
     
  7. Nelly

    Nelly Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2002
    Messages:
    1,931
    Likes Received:
    196

    Nuggets - No Defense
    Jazz - Physical, okay defense
    Spurs - Good Defense
    Celtics - Best Defense in the League

    Gasol is bottom-tier franchise player. He is a very skilled 7-footer, with a great touch. He's just soft, and doesn't play D.

    One thing I noticed though is that he doesn't have a great turnaround/fadeaway jumper. Olajuwon had one, Yao has one. He's not a physical enough player to not have that in his arsenal. Unless you're D.Howard or Shaq-type of center, you're going to need that shot in your repetoire.
     
  8. kikimama

    kikimama Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2006
    Messages:
    2,048
    Likes Received:
    15
    C'mon you can't expect the Lakers to beat the stacked Celtics. The only advantage the Lakers had was at SG. But the Celtics play too good of a team defense for him to take over a game. Can't say Gasol is soft when the whole team didn't step up either.
     
  9. Jonhty

    Jonhty Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2002
    Messages:
    1,704
    Likes Received:
    4
    gasol is what he is...kobe played like mcgrady, now that's the main problem they lost.
     
  10. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    43,790
    Likes Received:
    3,708
    I agree with everything except that he did play good defense on Duncan. players with length give duncan problems
     
  11. A_3PO

    A_3PO Member

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2006
    Messages:
    46,754
    Likes Received:
    12,291
    Pau is a PF, not a C. His strengths are a 12-14 foot jumper (which he shunned in the Finals for some reason), he can put the ball on the floor (which he mostly shunned in the Finals), he is a very good passer and he can post up and destroy smaller players on the low block.

    In the Finals (and WCFs), I think Pau had stage fright. It was a classic case of choking. This is troubling for the Lakers because they needed him to become more forceful in the playoffs when teams zeroed in on Kobe. Instead, he didn't want the ball, which just blew me away. Most of the time when he had it, all he wanted to do was set picks, look for cutters or guys coming off screens or give it to Kobe.

    Pau is a perfectly skilled PF for the Lakers offense, but his disappearing act in the heat of the Finals has tarnished him. We disagree on this, but I say Pau's heart and lack of aggression was the problem, not his skills (or even his stats). He should have demanded the ball more often and drew more fouls.

    His defense will never be anything to write home about. Like pgabs said, his length can sometimes give players trouble.
     
  12. R0ckets03

    R0ckets03 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 1999
    Messages:
    16,326
    Likes Received:
    2,042

    mcgrady plays like mcgrady because he is constantly facing triple teams. kobe doesn't have to contend with triple teams because they actually have other scorers on the lakers. Gasol and odom. also shooters like radman, buyabitch, fisher and farmar.

    we have scorers like umm...ohh..hmm...

    we have shooters like luther and battier.

    big difference.
     
  13. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2001
    Messages:
    28,813
    Likes Received:
    5,748
    Buyabitch...LOL - I actually call him Vaginavitch but I like your nickname better, 03!
     
  14. heypartner

    heypartner Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 1999
    Messages:
    63,511
    Likes Received:
    59,008
    I can't name the last time I've seen R0ckets03 defend McGrady. I guess it makes sense you used the opportunity to knock down Kobe.

    I second the great nickname of buyabitch!
     
  15. R0ckets03

    R0ckets03 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 1999
    Messages:
    16,326
    Likes Received:
    2,042

    I don't recall hating on Tmac for a while now. Even if I did it was more out of frustration. He wasn't my favorite player till a few months back. Yao was always my favorite player.

    But the way Tmac played and led this team toward the end of this season made me respect him. He is always criticized for being soft. The dude played with a freakin bum leg and shoulder and never complained. Once again the Rockets organization failed to provide Tmac with any help whatsoever in the playoffs and the dude was a one man wreaking crew. I love TMAC!

    Yao on the other hand thinks playing for some communist country in the Olympics is more important. Screw that. He is able to live the lifestyle he does because of the Rockets, not china. He is able to donate two million freakin dollars to the earthquake victims (which is an awesome gesture btw) cause of the Rockets not some crap ass chinese national team. His first priority should be the Rockets, but whatever.

    Doesn't mean I hate Yao and am a TMOF or whatever. I love both of them.

    end of rant
     
  16. l3igballer23

    l3igballer23 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2001
    Messages:
    814
    Likes Received:
    4
    Pau was never a proven playoff winner (never winning a playoff game until being traded to the Lakers really shows what kind of player he is under pressure)...plus he will only do well against inferior talent ... he can't elevate his game to another level and I'm pretty sure he never will
     
  17. adoo

    adoo Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2003
    Messages:
    11,855
    Likes Received:
    7,983
    that is just rhetorics, totally meaningless.

    Jordan, in my book, is the best baller ever. and he, too, only does well against inferior talent. :eek: :eek: :eek:
    im pretty sure ur just blowing smoke
     
  18. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2002
    Messages:
    35,986
    Likes Received:
    36,840
    Et tu, adoote?
     
  19. adoo

    adoo Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2003
    Messages:
    11,855
    Likes Received:
    7,983
    the Rox has been able to enjoy windfall profit from souvenir / merchandise due in large measure the team's affiliation with Yao.

    Yao's #1 priority has always been his home country. the Rox knew B4 they offer the contract to Yao.
     
  20. Asian Sensation

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 1999
    Messages:
    18,296
    Likes Received:
    7,449
    It starts from the top. If anyone should have the finger pointed at.... it's Kobe.
     

Share This Page