Pentagon Propaganda: So Much Worse Than We Thought ?

First, when do I ever go after people's patriotism? I think you are confusing me with someone else. I have repeatedly said that I was and continue to be in favor of the war, but I have never said (to my recollection) that someone who opposes the war is un-American.

Second, what exactly are you doing to stop the war that trumps my activities?

Third, since when did supporting a position require participation? How many in favor of raising taxes are joining the IRS? How many in favor of gun control are joining the ATF? What magical quality about the war makes it so that is the one position you are not allowed to take without active and immediate participation?

Fourth, exactly why is it your business what I do with my life?

 

I know that the last thing I want is the American people being intentionally misled into rallying behind a war that's unjust and unnecessary. When does that ever lead to anything positive?

**** patriotism.

 

Lol...That's hillarious.

 

Are you suggesting that I lied about my LSAT score, or that I lied about being rejected by the Army, or perhaps that I lied about even applying for the JAG summer program?

 

Quite possibly ALL THREE!!!

If A was true than B shouldn't be true, which means C might be true.


Your move counselor!

 

In fact I was not lying about any of them, I just didn't put in much effort.

 

StupidMoniker, I apologize for point number 1. I read too much into your earlier statement in this thread and confused you with other people around here. I'm sorry. I'm also sorry for the b****y tone, but I am not retreating from my central argument.

Addressing point number 2, *anything* I do against the war is commensurate with what you are doing to support the war since you are doing exactly nothing. Also, let's get real- supporting an indefinite military commitment in the Middle East means people not only have to stay longer, but also more people will be required to go there. So, supporting the war effort impacts other people. In other words, you are asking *other* people to pay for your political goals. That's not fair. Why not ask the same of yourself and go to school later like others? My political support, petitions and protests against the war and in favor of increasing the financial support of the troops at worst will increase taxes.

Point # 3- Maybe the reason they didn't accept your application to the JAG program is because of specious arguments like this. If you can't see the moral imperative of asking the same sacrifice of yourself as you do of others, then you must think those troops are somehow your servants. This isn't taxes, or gun control, this is fighting for our country, right? You support the war because it is a very, very important issue that will directly effect the security of our country, right? They troops don't need cheerleaders, they need more help. Wouldn't your enthusiasm and skills be more relevant and needed on the front lines? How is waiting around to see if you might get into a program that already turned you down really useful if this war is as *essential* as you think it is?

Point #4- You are right. Your life is none of my business. The point I was making is that supporting a war should have consequences. Asking others to sacrifice should require some kind of sacrifice even if it is only posing a few uncomfortable questions to yourself.

 

Stupid war. We're in the middle east for nothing but economic reasons. Policy makers have huge stakes and government contracts that they're getting out of this war while the american public is being slowly bankrupted by the falling value of the dollar. A very mislead and lied about war that has costed thousands of lives on both sides in the name of the almighty dollar. Sad. People initially supported this war out of misleading reports about WMD in Iraqi and '9/11' and 'Al-quedia'.

“Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”
-Benjamin Franklin

 

Thanks

So you are not doing anything to save the lives of the troops, just b****ing about it? OK, I can definitely see how you have the moral authority to come after me then.

You could be right, unless of course you take into consideration the fact that removing the American presence could have more and more far reaching negative consequences than continuing forward. Your political support, petitions and protests could result in a change in policy that leads to rapid troop withdrawal, which could in turn lead to a violent civil war that kills millions. Only in some sort of fantasy world where the only problems are those caused by the presence of American troops does your argument hold water.

Since I was not asked to make any arguments, I find it doubtful, but let's move past that and look at the substance. Why is fighting the war in Iraq fighting for your country, and the troops not public servants, but enforcing the law at home is not fighting for your country, and the agents are public servants. Since you didn't address whether you believe in any of the programs I pointed out, let's look at a hypothetical Democrat that believes strongly in gun control. Enforcement of gun control law can be very dangerous. ATF agents get shot at. How does not even attempting to join the ATF more helpful to that effort than what I am doing? Every time we support something that the government then forces someone to do, we are asking that other people serve us, and in fact the Democrats ask for a lot more people to provide service that I do, because they want a lot more services provided by the government. For some reason, Democrats think that this one specific war (not all wars, mind you) has some property whereby it is unfair to support that policy without active participation, while in every other policy example it is OK. I disagree.

They are not uncomfortable questions for me. I have no problem with my view of the war even given your opinion that I have done and am doing nothing to help. I do not agree that there is some magical quality about the war that makes supporting that policy any different than supporting any other policy.