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Pelosi will run for Minority Leader

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by tallanvor, Nov 5, 2010.

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  1. mc mark

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    that is your opinion

    other people believe differently
     
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    Gridlock will be a whole lot better than all the crap Pelosi and company have shoved down our throats the last two years. Since she became speaker in 2007 the national debt has increased by 5 TRILLION DOLLARS!!!!!! We can't afford for her to be Speaker any longer.
     
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    Those other people would include 8% of independents.
     
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    tell me one time bipartisanship has led to the government shrinking? Bipartisanship is a one way street with liberals taking and never giving.
     
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    yeah unfortunately for you and those other people you guys are clearly in the MINORITY
     
  6. cml750

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    There is no doubt about that now!!
     
  7. mc mark

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    Somewhere Dick Armey is giggling at you fools.

    Have a great weekend freaks
     
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    Yes, as long as the Tea Party continues to support the exact same programs policies and ideas as big corporate interests and billionaires, Dick Armey and the establishment that funds them will continue to laugh.
     
  9. Major

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    You should learn the difference between correlation and causality.

    Since you became a member of Clutchfans, the national debt has gone by about $7 trillion. It must be your doing.
     
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    You should learn how the federal government works. The House of Representatives holds the purse strings to the federal budget. So from what you are saying the national debt went up 2 trillion dollars in eight years under Republican/Bush control and and 5 trillion in four years of Pelosi Democratic control. I fully admit the Republicans spent too much but what Pelosi and Obama did was absolutely ridiculous. Hopefully the gridlock that will come from this election will turn things around. Gridlock helped produce a budget surplus under Clinton. We desperately need that again. It is sad fact that both parties tend to go crazy spending money when they get control. We are racking up debt for our grandchildren and great grand children. I hope we can leave the world a better place for them and slowing down federal spending is a great place to start.
     
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    So, this is interesting. There are currently 4 Dem leadership positions. When Speaker goes away, there will only be 3:

    Minority Leader
    Minority Whip
    Caucus Chair

    Pelosi is going for Minority Leader, where Steny Hoyer currently resides as Majority Leader.

    If the Whip and Caucus stay the same, that means Pelosi is essentially screwing Hoyer out of a leadership position or forcing him to run against a member of the Black Caucus for Whip. So, if Hoyer is out, that's a good thing in my opinion. Well played Nancy.
     
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    sounds like someone is irritated. I dont mind if Dick Armey is giggling at us. Just so long as the Federal Govt stops stealing from us and our future generations.

    Glad Pelosi is out of power and gone for good. Not having to see her on TV all the time is definitely a positive outcome of these elections
     
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    Pelosi needs to quietly fade off into the background.
     
  14. Major

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    Oh, this will be fun.

    Not quite accurate, but close enough, yes.

    Not really. The Obama/Pelosi gang has spent $700 billion (stimulus) that was not paid for. And that was a one-time program that has no impact on long-term deficits. Virtually every else they have done has been fully paid for, and thus deficit neutral.

    On the opposite end, the three large things that Bush did - the tax cut, the Medicare expansion, and the wars - were completely unpaid for and deficit busting. So while they were done in 1992 or 1993 or whatever, they lead to deficits today.

    The vast majority of the current deficit is due to a combination of these Bush-era programs, a severe drop in revenues due to the recession, and the legacy costs of things like entitlement programs, which neither Obama or Pelosi created. As an example, the 2008 Bush budget produced a $1+ trillion deficit.

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    As stated at the beginning of this, you should learn how government (and budgeting) work. Correlation and causality are very different things. Not understanding the two leads you to erroneous conclusions - and when you don't understand the proper causes, you are never going to be able to solve the underlying problems.

    The deficit actually came under control starting in 1992, before gridlock. And it was in large part due to tax increases by Clinton and the Democrats to promote fiscal stability.
     
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    She would make a good minority leader and also a good majority leader in this climate with the intransigience of the Corporate Grand Old Tea Party.

    She has the fortitude to do it. She was the person who had the guts to get the healthcare bill passed long after alleged tough guys like Rahm Emmanuel had given up.
     
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    That was 02 and 06. This climate is different. I don't think she has the Dem support she had in the past. It just seems that no one is willing to step up and take a leadership role. There are more just wanting to be out of the spotlight. It's kind of disappointing to me.
     
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    Everything I'm reading is that the Dems in the House love her. Most of the ones that didn't like her lost their races, so the Dem part of the House moved more to the left as a result (this always happens whenever a party grows smaller).

    But if that's not the case, you're right - she should just step aside. And symbolically, it probably makes sense for her to step aside as well, but not just to be replaced by Steny Hoyer - if they are going to switch leadership, they should go to entirely new people and not just promote the 2nd in command to 1st, etc.
     

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