Pelosi knew about interrogation methods, which confirms that she is a liar

Negotiate with the Taliban for quite awhile, ratchening up the pressure and finally invading with the goal of capturing Bin Laden if they did not give him up. Instead Bush immediately had the the goal of long term occupation and nation building in Afghanistan and Iraq. They duped many into believing Sadam was somehow involved with Al Qaeda or 9/11.

 

What is really funny is Bigtexx who is a big defender of torture and wire tapping is criticizing Pelosi for this. We also had Basso criticizing Obama for bombing is Afghanistan an activity he is thrilled over.

 

I agree.

 

I disagree. The operations in Afghanistan were a singular success by the Bush Administration. Just about the only one I can think of. Of course, they were already planning to invade Iraq and, like many have pointed out after the fact (I did before Bush invaded Iraq, along with a couple of others), that action was completely mad, being unnecessary and taking away desperately needed resources from the real front in this war against AQ and their allies, the price of doing that being paid today in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Oh, and if Pelosi lied about not knowing of the torture being used by the Bush Administraion, she should resign.

 

How was the Afghan operation a "singular success". We never got Bin Laden. We are stuck in a quagmire in Afghanistan and we have destabilized perhaps Pakistan. More like a cluster**** which magnified the original damage done on 911.

 

I agree and would amend the quoted statement thusly...

Afghanistan could have been a wonderful success for Bush, but he decided to send the resources that should have gone there into Iraq instead, creating a quagmire in both countries and hamstringing the search for bin Laden, the rebuilding of Afghanistan, and the War on Terror in general.

 

This is by FAR the funniest thing I have ever read on this forum.

Negotiate with the Taliban. Really? Yeah...I'm sure that would have worked.

Either you don't really believe that or you have the most severe case of rectal-cranial inversion in medical history.

There is NO WAY that would have worked. We would keep talking and talking and they would keep brutalizing their own people and training the terrorists that would make their next attack on America.

Good job glynch.

The fun thing about diplomacy is that you have to know your audience and realize at the outset when you are going to get screwed.

 

agreed

 

politicians lie???

wow, this needs to be on the front page news. this is the biggest scandal since watergate.

 

glynch, I have a headache and am suffering from post game three depression, which no pills can cure, evidently. Andy answered you for me, thank goodness, so I don't have to scrounge for the effort. How hard is it to understand that a country with a thousand year old history of making invaders sorry they ever poked their noses in might, just might, require our full attention? Bush completely blew it. Completely. It will take a miracle for our allies and these United States to recover from his blunder and make something of Afghanistan. I think we had a golden opportunity. Yes, that is my opinion, but I sincerely believe that opportunity was there to finally turn Afghanistan from a collection of warlords into a nation entering at least the 19th century. And George W. Bush blew it. It was criminal, but he blew it. His hubris knew no bounds. We are paying the price today.

Guess I wrote something after all.

 

Well said. Especially impressive from a guy with a headache. As usual, great post Deck.

You have to keep in mind Deckard that glynch believes that negotiating with the Taliban to stop their horrid activities was the answer. You cannot reason with that. I guess glynch would have negotiated with Hitler too...as he rolled across Europe.

 

Ultimately I suspect negotiation with the Taliban would have been fruitless. We will never know as Bush was hell bent on invading and occupying and going into to Afghanistan, and Iraq, reshaping the whole Middle East by unilateral military means , restricting our right to habeas, instigating wire tapping and the whole GOP/neo-con agenda. They intended to seize the opportunity at once to frighten folks into enacting their agenda. As we know many Americans fell for it and many of even those people now regret it.

Well at least I can get some satisfaction from consistently being right on these matters.

 

When it comes to Iraq, I agree.

When it comes to Afghanistan, you are delusional. Anybody that analyzes the issue from a reality based perspective knows that we had to disrupt the Taliban and their terrorist training camps.

How is the view from your ivory tower?

 

In 2001 there were no Taliban training camps. There were lots of Al Qaeda and Jamaat-e-Islami training camps. These are not the same thing.

 

Not the same, but Refman's point still stands. After 9/11, Afghanistan was the right thing to do. Iraq, not so much.

 

We had to do something about Al Qaeda and Bin Laden. "Afghanistan" meaning the whole invasion, installing our prefered war lords, and struggling to do whatever it is we are doing to this day was not the right thing to do IMHO.

 

I didn't say it was done the right way necessarily, but a big part of that is the fact that we diverted our attention and resources to Iraq. We had to take out the Taliban because they are the ones who created a safe haven for Al Qaeda in the first place.

I agree it could have been done much, much better.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_pelosi_torture

 

CIA lied, or Bush lied, or Pelosi lied...They all liars!!! DEMMITT

what's next?...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHdXIPaD1zo

 

I feel politicians do lie from either slant (i.e. Bush?, Clinton?), but sometimes a politician really looks the part of being a liar, by explaining herself over and over, stumbling on words, looking mighty uncomfortable...Pelosi is doing a great job on that regard...