1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Pelosi knew about interrogation methods, which confirms that she is a liar

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, May 7, 2009.

  1. glynch

    glynch Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2000
    Messages:
    18,082
    Likes Received:
    3,605
    Negotiate with the Taliban for quite awhile, ratchening up the pressure and finally invading with the goal of capturing Bin Laden if they did not give him up. Instead Bush immediately had the the goal of long term occupation and nation building in Afghanistan and Iraq. They duped many into believing Sadam was somehow involved with Al Qaeda or 9/11.
     
  2. glynch

    glynch Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2000
    Messages:
    18,082
    Likes Received:
    3,605
    What is really funny is Bigtexx who is a big defender of torture and wire tapping is criticizing Pelosi for this. We also had Basso criticizing Obama for bombing is Afghanistan an activity he is thrilled over.
     
  3. Qball

    Qball Member

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2001
    Messages:
    4,151
    Likes Received:
    210
    I agree.
     
  4. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2002
    Messages:
    57,795
    Likes Received:
    41,233
    I disagree. The operations in Afghanistan were a singular success by the Bush Administration. Just about the only one I can think of. Of course, they were already planning to invade Iraq and, like many have pointed out after the fact (I did before Bush invaded Iraq, along with a couple of others), that action was completely mad, being unnecessary and taking away desperately needed resources from the real front in this war against AQ and their allies, the price of doing that being paid today in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    Oh, and if Pelosi lied about not knowing of the torture being used by the Bush Administraion, she should resign.
     
  5. glynch

    glynch Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2000
    Messages:
    18,082
    Likes Received:
    3,605

    How was the Afghan operation a "singular success". We never got Bin Laden. We are stuck in a quagmire in Afghanistan and we have destabilized perhaps Pakistan. More like a cluster**** which magnified the original damage done on 911.
     
  6. GladiatoRowdy

    GladiatoRowdy Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2002
    Messages:
    16,596
    Likes Received:
    496
    I agree and would amend the quoted statement thusly...

    Afghanistan could have been a wonderful success for Bush, but he decided to send the resources that should have gone there into Iraq instead, creating a quagmire in both countries and hamstringing the search for bin Laden, the rebuilding of Afghanistan, and the War on Terror in general.
     
  7. Refman

    Refman Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2002
    Messages:
    13,674
    Likes Received:
    312
    This is by FAR the funniest thing I have ever read on this forum.

    Negotiate with the Taliban. Really? Yeah...I'm sure that would have worked.

    Either you don't really believe that or you have the most severe case of rectal-cranial inversion in medical history.

    There is NO WAY that would have worked. We would keep talking and talking and they would keep brutalizing their own people and training the terrorists that would make their next attack on America.

    Good job glynch.

    The fun thing about diplomacy is that you have to know your audience and realize at the outset when you are going to get screwed.
     
  8. mc mark

    mc mark Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 1999
    Messages:
    26,195
    Likes Received:
    471

    agreed
     
  9. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    39,206
    Likes Received:
    20,350
    politicians lie???

    wow, this needs to be on the front page news. this is the biggest scandal since watergate.
     
  10. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2002
    Messages:
    57,795
    Likes Received:
    41,233
    glynch, I have a headache and am suffering from post game three depression, which no pills can cure, evidently. Andy answered you for me, thank goodness, so I don't have to scrounge for the effort. How hard is it to understand that a country with a thousand year old history of making invaders sorry they ever poked their noses in might, just might, require our full attention? Bush completely blew it. Completely. It will take a miracle for our allies and these United States to recover from his blunder and make something of Afghanistan. I think we had a golden opportunity. Yes, that is my opinion, but I sincerely believe that opportunity was there to finally turn Afghanistan from a collection of warlords into a nation entering at least the 19th century. And George W. Bush blew it. It was criminal, but he blew it. His hubris knew no bounds. We are paying the price today.

    Guess I wrote something after all.
     
    2 people like this.
  11. Refman

    Refman Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2002
    Messages:
    13,674
    Likes Received:
    312
    Well said. Especially impressive from a guy with a headache. As usual, great post Deck.

    You have to keep in mind Deckard that glynch believes that negotiating with the Taliban to stop their horrid activities was the answer. You cannot reason with that. I guess glynch would have negotiated with Hitler too...as he rolled across Europe.
     
    1 person likes this.
  12. glynch

    glynch Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2000
    Messages:
    18,082
    Likes Received:
    3,605
    Ultimately I suspect negotiation with the Taliban would have been fruitless. We will never know as Bush was hell bent on invading and occupying and going into to Afghanistan, and Iraq, reshaping the whole Middle East by unilateral military means , restricting our right to habeas, instigating wire tapping and the whole GOP/neo-con agenda. They intended to seize the opportunity at once to frighten folks into enacting their agenda. As we know many Americans fell for it and many of even those people now regret it.

    Well at least I can get some satisfaction from consistently being right on these matters. :)
     
  13. Refman

    Refman Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2002
    Messages:
    13,674
    Likes Received:
    312
    When it comes to Iraq, I agree.

    When it comes to Afghanistan, you are delusional. Anybody that analyzes the issue from a reality based perspective knows that we had to disrupt the Taliban and their terrorist training camps.

    How is the view from your ivory tower?
     
  14. Ottomaton

    Ottomaton Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2000
    Messages:
    19,203
    Likes Received:
    15,373
    In 2001 there were no Taliban training camps. There were lots of Al Qaeda and Jamaat-e-Islami training camps. These are not the same thing.
     
  15. GladiatoRowdy

    GladiatoRowdy Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2002
    Messages:
    16,596
    Likes Received:
    496
    Not the same, but Refman's point still stands. After 9/11, Afghanistan was the right thing to do. Iraq, not so much.
     
  16. glynch

    glynch Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2000
    Messages:
    18,082
    Likes Received:
    3,605

    We had to do something about Al Qaeda and Bin Laden. "Afghanistan" meaning the whole invasion, installing our prefered war lords, and struggling to do whatever it is we are doing to this day was not the right thing to do IMHO.
     
  17. GladiatoRowdy

    GladiatoRowdy Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2002
    Messages:
    16,596
    Likes Received:
    496
    I didn't say it was done the right way necessarily, but a big part of that is the fact that we diverted our attention and resources to Iraq. We had to take out the Taliban because they are the ones who created a safe haven for Al Qaeda in the first place.

    I agree it could have been done much, much better.
     
  18. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2005
    Messages:
    21,310
    Likes Received:
    11,755
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_pelosi_torture
     
  19. ROXRAN

    ROXRAN Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2000
    Messages:
    18,822
    Likes Received:
    5,227
    #39 ROXRAN, May 14, 2009
    Last edited: May 14, 2009
    1 person likes this.
  20. ROXRAN

    ROXRAN Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2000
    Messages:
    18,822
    Likes Received:
    5,227
    I feel politicians do lie from either slant (i.e. Bush?, Clinton?), but sometimes a politician really looks the part of being a liar, by explaining herself over and over, stumbling on words, looking mighty uncomfortable...Pelosi is doing a great job on that regard...
     
    #40 ROXRAN, May 14, 2009
    Last edited: May 14, 2009

Share This Page