I must confess, I haven't been to a paid-for musiccal concert for about 15 years. I've done my share of taking the kids to music in the park etc. The key word in my response to me was "prevail." I don't think that entertainers should take advantage of their dues-paying audience to do their political commercials. I know it's a fine line. I'm talking about the honor system. If they want to write lyrics to music... dandy. At least people will know what they are buying into. Of course, if I enjoyed or supported the conversation I wouldn't want to ask for a refund. I think the right to prevail needs to run both ways; if the rap offends me I should be able to get a refund. Make 'em pay in the pocketbook for their little surprise.
You may be right, but I don't see either Clinton or Gore taking the same maverick route that Bush has taken. But if they had, I would have criticized them just as much as I am now. giddyup, That's just it. Pearl Jam does write lyrics expressing their social views. Vedder did this during an anti-Bush that was written way before the war. "...which he wore for the song "Bushleaguer," a Bush-taunting song from the band's latest album, Riot Act."
Fine. Play it. Don't go through the histrionics with the mask and cut out the commentary, please.... for my money.
http://www.kilt.com/viewentry.asp?ID=258331&pt=upcomingevents Llano Estacado Live in concert next Thursday...I am so there.
i couldn't figure out which post to respond to, and finally chose yours, ryan. here's why: music is, has always has been and always should have soul. if the artist isn't pouring their blood, sweat and tears into the project, then it's empty, callous, middle of the road drivel made to appeal to has many people as possible... iow, creed. music - good music, anyway - has always reflected society's ups and downs. so which days are you referring to? the 60's, when artisits were churning out anti-establishment songs that still resonate 40 years later? the 70's, in which disenfranchised youth rose up against the happy-go-lucky music ofthe day and formed a fertile underground scene that continues to influence artisits some 30 years later? or maybe the 80's, when bands like REM and u2 took definitive stands and pushed their fans to get active, to participate, to affect change? or maybe the 90's, when another rebellion, started by the likes of minor threat, the pixies and the minutemen, spilled into and overtook the mainstream, pushing aside compromises and willing people to their way? re: pearl jam and vedder -- first things first, enough with trying to equate this to the dixie chicks. apples to oranges. PJs fan base is not made up of southern, redneck NRA members. as for what he said... unlike some musicians, this falls right in line with the same ideaology eddie's adhered to since 1991. he railed a bush then, he's railing this one, too. he also, for the record, spoke out against clinton and railed the iraqi bombing clinton intiated in 1998. he's, by no means, a johnny-come-lately to this. notice also, he hasn't hit the talk show circuit and he hasn't pushed his opinion in anyone's face. the concert is his platform -- if you go there and you're not expecting something like this, you're either lost or naive. i don't agree with him, i think he dabbles in anti-bush politics that blind him tothe big picture... but you can't question his conviction. so, to wrap up... vitalogy is not only their best album (and that's BY far), i'd even go so far as to tap it the seminal album of a generation, and manny, since it's nearly been 10 years since it's release, i guess you're wrong about people forgetting about it. also, i'll be there sunday, front row, center, and i can't wait. (should be riveting.. will he dare whip out the anti-bush rhetoric in bush's backyard?) if you're still reading... i like the lakers in the west and about schmidt remains a must-see.
well, f me. i thought it was to punctuate your "hello, cleveland" joke at the end. upon a second reading... sorry. please ignore me. i suck, and i hate myself....
I personally think "No Code" and "Yield" are Pearl Jam's best and most mature albums to date. I know 10 years from now, those will be the first 2 albums I'll think of, and then I'll think of "Ten" being their most popular album.
Hey look, it's a Dixie Chicks update: Last modified: 07:49 AM CST on Friday, April 04, 2003 Ladies and gentlemen ... the Dairyland Chicks? 04/04/2003 Associated Press MADISON, Wis. - The Dixie Chicks might not be welcomed in some parts of the country, but an alderman wants the country music trio to know they have a home in Wisconsin. Alderman Ken Golden has proposed a resolution letting the Chicks know they can become the city's adopted country music group and encouraging them to change their name to the "Heartland Chicks" or "Dairyland Chicks." The Dixie Chicks became the target of boycotts and bans after lead singer Natalie Maines made critical comments about President Bush on a London stage last month, including a remark that "we're ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas." Maines later apologized, but some radio stations have banned the Texas group's music and some people have destroyed their compact discs of the Chicks. Golden's resolution, co-sponsored by 10 of 20 council members, supports the group's right to dissent, calls for the council to play a Dixie Chicks CD during meeting breaks and directs the mayor to present the Chicks with keys to the city, French wine and a suitable welcome should they ever visit. The council will consider the resolution Tuesday. The resolution has nothing to do with foreign policy issues of any country, "including Texas," Golden said.
What's up with Party on the Plaza? All these crappy country acts this year. I wonder where they are going to park their trailers since there is so much construction going on downtown.
Ric, I never mentioned "Vitalogy" as a specific album. I mentioned "Yield" and "No Code". That is fine that you feel that way about "Vitalogy" as I do about "Ten", but I bet you are in the minority with other PJ fans on that "Vitalogy" is better than "Ten" but there is no way in finding out who is right and who is wrong.
I really feel like listening to 'Vitalogy' now but I just remembered it contains the song 'Betterman'. Eewww.....
TEN was and remains boring, imo; i don't get its lasting appeal. and to hear those songs live only serves to underscore what a plodding effort it is. (btw, i would rank YIELD as their second best effort.) and i think there is A way to correlate what's primarily a subjective issue (besides the fact three fans here have cited it): airplay. i hear CORDUROY and BETTERMAN far more often than ALIVE or BLACK or EVENFLOW (or even, i guess, JEREMY). i mean, i still hear those songs, but not near as often. they're dated, imo. CORDUROY (again, mo) still sounds... well, vital; timeless rock-n-roll. i think, and have always thought, VITALOGY was an unappreciated classic, released at the start of the inevitable backlash and thus, swallowed by indifference and ignorance. it and YIELD are their only albums i gladly listen to, start to finish, without having to skip around (and i'm a BIG fan). if you have it, or dismissed it way back when, i'd highly recommend you revisiting it -- i think you'll be surprised. and i will argue to my death NOT FOR YOU was the defining song of our (well, my) generation, not TEEN SPIRIT.
I'm just reading this thread and trying to figure out how some people don't see that putting the President's head on a stick and stomping on it is completely sick. It's one thing to protest - but going that far is just immature. But I guess I shouldn't care. I've heard Pearl Jam's music a total of 1 time in my life. There weren't very many fans where I grew up (or at least the people I know). And as far as the Dixie Hicks, **** them. Nobody liked their **** before, and nobody gives a **** if they don't win another "Country Music Award" ever. Their lead singer is a fat ho.
you're right -- they should take the high road and just call him a fat ho.... actually, i agree with you -- it is hypocritical of someone who espouses peace and love to act so violently... it's why extremists like vedder are, imo, every bit as dangerous as those they oppose.
All I can say is I would want my money back too if I went to this show. If they advertised the show as <b>Pearl Jam in Concert!!! with anti-war commentary by Eddie Vedder </b>, then that would be different. However, I doubt that was the case. As for Pearl Jam's music, I think also make a case for Vitalogy and No Code being good albums, but ultimately it would just be an opinion. Yield and Riot Act were bores.
