They are interchangable for me. They both do different things really well. Wouldn't matter if we traded one or the other.
I'd stil take Pat... Higher upside, and while JHill has been good lately, he still has those bonehead plays every once in a while. I will say im VERY impressed with Hills rebounding.
Wishful thinking. I wish we had kept landry. Say what u will, but it took him 1 yr to become a 4th q closer and he had natural explosion, no windup. If equal,keeep the young buck. They need to trade scola and let patterson and hill play. Neither guy is going to be anything more than 4th/5th starters. Neither has special qualities. Hill is more athletic, patterson has a better feel. As with the rockets, if you could combine the 2, they would be 1 really good player.
Hill still is the same player we've seen this year. Do I hope he got fired up because he is in a contract year? Of course but saying Hill was struggling on purpose is just another example of talking out of your ass. Great thread OP, brings perspective to the board. I've been a supporter of Hill (believe me it is really hard) when most of the board has given up on him, I gave up on Hill the Center but not on Hill playing his natural position, I think he can flourish if placed in the right setting. If he gets to start (in NOLA) watch him average a double double the rest of the way.
Patterson = Beast Its only his second season and a short injured to begin with so rightfully his numbers % wise would be done and considering he's been come off then bench since he's been back and Jordan Hill was starting at the start of the season so if his starts are probably alittle higher but Jordan Hill is not on Pattersons level. Again I hate to keep leaning on the but Patterson last year he was better than jordan for the simple fact he was able to get 3 staright double double his rookie season again in limited minutes. I agree jordan is valuable to a certain degree cause he's tall athletic but that can only get u so far. Would like to keep jordan to play behind patterson if we ever traded scola but no doubt...its Patterson over> Hill
Funny how for several fans, for PPat an ankle injure would be an excuse, but for Scola a complex SURGERY is not? I agree with the OP, PPat is overrated by fans IMO, not saying he sucks, but he's given more credit that what he has earned on court.
Patterson doesn't even have a full season yet. The sample size is too small to objectively critique his game, especially considering his injury, and for a mid round pick who worked his way up from the D-League. I'm not defending his poor play, it's just too soon to determine his value vs. Hill's. The only thing Hill has proven so far is that he has given inconsistent effort for all the opportunities that he has had. For all those who's b****ing about Scola, it's pretty telling that none of our prospects have been able to beat him out of his minutes -this includes Landry.
Patterson got his 3 double doubles in a row when he started in place of scola due to injury I wouldn't really say those minutes were limited. Im not saying hill is better but I have no idea why they never let hill play his natural position and see what he can do. I think If u give hill 30 min at pf he would get a double double almost every game just off offensive rebound putbacks his skill set is very nice he has good post moves and looks fluid I just think he moves to fast when they call plays for him rather than when its a breakdown play and he ends up with the ball an has to make a move without thinking and he looks like a stud. I think Hill just needs more time and playing time at the 4, he's played great in the minutes he's gotten in the last 4 games.
Nice thread OP. I often wondered the same thing. PPAT does indeed get a free pass on this board for the most part while many are quick to dismiss Hill as part of any trade package.
Patterson had ankle SURGERY. Really Scola has been DOWN this year too. His rebounding is BAD this year, worsened more than Patterson's. All of his numbers are down and turnovers UP. Scola actually attended training camp and played international ball during the summer. Patterson did NOTHING until 2nd week into the season. If you're wanting to say Scola should be given the SAME excuse then thats fair. Overall they've BOTH regressed
What I'm saying is I don't think either is going to be special, but playing scola won't be the difference in whether we make the playoffs or not. We really need to see in extended minutes what we really have in patterson and hill even if he didn't get extended. Those guys should be playing at least 24 mins a piece and maybe more depending on matchups. Right now they're battling for crumbs.
What the suggestion looks like is - Its undercutting their own UPSIDE before even giving them a chance. Saying Hill or Patterson DON'T have ANY UPSIDE. At best they'll be a 4th man, WORSE than Scola. So get rid of Scola for guys who will contribute less.
Wait...you're giving 2Pat a pass when you wouldn't give Bud the same consideration when he had a severe ankle injury last year. I like 2Pat, but I think Hill has more upside. 2Pat is last year's M-Morris -- an all world player until his feet of clay become apparent. These are all good role players, and I like them all. However, we must be realistic.
The way Patterson has been playing, more like Paula Milsap. Holy chit, whatever surgery he had, it nearly sapped him of whatever athleticism he had. This current Patterson is nothing special. Dude is playing like a 6'2" PF. ps. Before the season begin, of all the Rockets players, Patterson was the one I had the most hope for a breakout season.
Because Patterson boxes out even when he doesn't get the rebound, and Hill only relies on his length. And Patterson clearly understands the concept of defensive rotation while Hill doesn't have a clue. Patterson's shooting percentage was awful at the beginning of the season. He is slowly getting back to his reliable level he showed in his rookie season. I am pretty sure the injury affected him. I still have faith in him. Too early to write him off as "just a role player." Hill actually has improved this season. So he has a chance to be a good player.
Jordan Hill is in his third year, and he hasn't improved one iota... He is an excellent rebounder, and that's about it. His post defense is below average, and his offense has seemingly gotten worse. He is a solid backup PF... That is all... Patterson's rookie season showed more talent and productivity than Jordan ever has. Coming off a surgery, I am willing to give him some more time to get his rebounding and defense together...
