Patrick Beverley out with fractured hand (UPDATE: Bev out 4-6 weeks)

Parsons, Jones and Asik (when he was starting) have frequently been referred to as role players. Frequently. It's cool if you disagree, but I'm just saying that's par for the course and not generally not intended as an insult.

 

He's a solid contributor to the GARM and a good fan so he is entitled to his opinion. I'm entitled to mine and most basketball fans do not refer to solid starters as role players. That is a term generally used for players coming off the bench or starters who do not have a solid gripe at the starter position and can easily be replaced like a T-Jones or Bev.

If you are a Parsons and the SF starting position is yours and you can play 38 mpg even when you struggle for 7 games in a row to start the season, I would call him a solid starter and not a role player.

 

Lin and Garcia are starting.

 

Thank you for explaining, it is very nice of you. I just wish everyone gets healthy and all fans be happy :grin:
I am Lin fan, so I wish him very well Rockets win
and I am a nice person like Jeremy, so I forgive people who said mean things about him and I hope all his fans are as nice as him

 

LOFs rejoice! Tonight is Jeremy's night to shine!

 

Most NBA experts called Asik a top 5 NBA starting center and very few would refer to him as a role player. A few did because of his limited offensive game.

Role players generally are reserved for bench players. It isn't just superstars and role players in the NBA. There is something in between. Arguably there are just 20 or so superstars in the whole league (and that is being generous using the 15 all nba players + 5) and the NBA can have as many as 15*30= 450 active NBA players.

It's not right to call 430 players "role players" and 20 players "superstars". And be mindful some teams have 3 out of 20 of these players on their team and many teams have zero.

 

Thank you for the information.
God bless them, Rockets and you

 

Rocket fans just should be happy that we are fortunate enough to have one of our pgs back healthy right when our other pg went down with a hand fracture. Yet, so many would rather antagonize people.

 

This simply isn't true. It just isn't. Anyway, my point is that you're entitled to define "role player" in the way you want -- but others are equally entitled to define it in the way they want as well. IMO, everyone outside of Harden and Howard is a role player b/c the team is constructed around those two and everyone else is expendable (as evidenced by all of the recent trade discussions). Lin, Parsons, Asik, Jones, Bev -- all of them could go. Harden and Howard won't. So all I'm saying is that there's no need to get up in arms about any of those guys being referred to as a role player, because I don't think anybody means any disrespect by it. It's more likely that they're just defining the term differently than you are.

Anyway, it's certainly nothing to debate about, so I won't further derail the thread.

 

Ditto.

 

So in your opinion, Parsons who is as good as it gets who is not a superstar is a "role player". That's fine if that is your opinion but realize that means the NBA has

20-24 superstars at most. 15 all nba players, 24 all stars. Some teams have 3 of these guys on their team like a Miami (LeBron, wade, bosh) while many have zero.

The NBA has 30 teams and each team can have a max of 15 players. That means at max there are 450 NBA players. Using your definition it's

24 superstars and 426 role players.

Using your definition a solid starter avg 18 ppg but isn't a superstar is a role player just like the 9th man on the rotation who plays 15 minutes off the bench.

That is just way too narrow which is why most people use 4 categories.

1. Superstars/star slightly below superstars
2. solid starter
3. role player. They are part of the rotation and normally plays every game
4. bench warmers who are on the roster but never leave the bench except for garbage time.

 

Oh NOW you call yourself a "real Rockets fan" and your all about team ("Get well soon Bev"). But pre-injury it was:

Now that Bev's hurt, we will see how valuable Lin is too this team. If Bev's truly a scrub then Lin should take our team to another level. Right?

 

I personally think there are fewer "superstars" than that. So yes, my opinion remains the same.

 

There's a place in between, but it is for players who are the best players on their team but are not all stars, such as Steph Curry last season.

Oh, and I'd like to see a list of which NBA experts said Asik is a top 5 center.

 

So how long will he be out?

 

Hope he comes back asap! I'll be pissed to see him just sitting on the bench for a while.

 

4-6 weeks. Closer to 6 though.

 

Of course I'm a real rockets fan. I'm from the Houston area and became a fan when they moved here their very first season.

You're just here to hate Lin.

Yes when a superstar goes down the other superstar is expected to take up the slack not the role players.

When Tmac was out Yao had to step up not good players like Scola or Chuck Hayes.

Yes Lin has to play as well as Bev but as I said before that isn't a high bar. Bev has been bad on offense his whole NBA career which is less than 1 season and his defense has been inconsistent.

Lin needs to play as well as a 11ish Per player and play some D.

It's on Howard to step up for the injured Harden. And it's time for you out of the woods "fans" who just came here to hate on Lin to stop being so ridiculous

 

4-6 weeks for him to come back to play PG and start and play heavy minutes but he should be able to come back much sooner as a defensive stopper for a few minutes here and there wearing some kind of hard caste protective thing.

Ron Artest (Metta World Peace) did something like that before during his career.

Defensive guys can play with a hand that isn't fully healed if they play a few mins.

 

Every single announcer for a rockets nationally televised game said last season Asik was a top 5 NBA center. Some hedged and added top 5 defensive center but many just said top 5.

Pretty much the entire clutch said asik was a top 5 center in the league last season.

Is there a long list of centers better than Asik last season?

A decent percentage of clutch fans though Howard wasn't worth it and barely an improvement to asik last season during the offseason before Howard signed here.

One major reason our defense last season and our defense this season hasn't changed much is because many people believe starting Howard at center is a wash on D compared to starting Asik at center last season