Patrick Beverley has a torn meniscus (UPDATE: Will not require surgery, expected to return)

apollo33 · Mar 31, 2014

yummyhawtsauce said: ↑

No, there aren't any social media/internet trolling courses at wharton
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I have MBA from Rice, and I collect ATM's at gas stations

we should be friends and not talk to the peasants

torocan · Mar 31, 2014

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torocan - Way to deflect the facts. There is a difference between jump passing with the intention to jump and pass compared to running into the lane at full speed and jumping up in the air without knowing what to do next. It isn't that hard to see that. He does it more than once every single game.

So your argument is, as long as other PG's do it, it's okay?

Bottom line, stay on the ground and make the right decisions. Lin hasn't earned any leeway in that department. In fact, he should be the poster boy on needing to learn how to play with discipline.

Is he the most experienced guy? Of course not. But, he's not making rook money. He's getting 7 mil a year. It's a business. Shape up or get the hell out.

If you think he's going to be a late bloomer like Dragic, it's not going to happen. They're not similar at all. In that scenario, you have to consider style of play. Dragic showed the kind of potential that's far more credible. He did the little things that Lin has shown no ability to do in a Rox jersey. And, even after saying that, Dragic wouldn't even be able to play the way he is on a top team in the league. Certainly not for the Rox. He's a role player and that's where it ends. Neither are a good fit contract wise.

If Lowry learned his lesson, he'd be the former Rox guard to look at. You'd at least get your money's worth. But, there no guarantees in that department either. So it's not just about Lin. It's completely about the league being watered down when it comes to PG's specifically.
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No, my argument is multi-faceted.

1) Jump passing in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing since it is used VERY commonly across the NBA by a large number of players.

2) That if the coaches felt it was a real problem, then likely you would see adjustments in Lin's game. It is quite conceivable that they are intentionally leaving it as part of Lin's game as it's part of his development process.

3) Dragic showed limited potential for MANY years. Dragic was a professional for 5 years before he even was drafted into the NBA and was actually sub-par for most of his first THREE years. Now in his 10th season as a pro, you're seeing him at his peak. Had you judged him on his initial years in the NBA or his time as a pro in Europe by the same standard many judge Lin, Dragic would never have even gotten to the NBA. Long development curves is far from unusual for PG's. Kidd took MANY years, so did Lowry, so did Nash, so did many others. The main reason for this is simple... playing the PG is mainly about decision making. Decision making is built upon experience. And experience is only acquired through time and play.

Finally, your argument about PG's being "watered down" is a nonsensical argument. PG's are the deepest position in the NBA at the moment. The "traditional" position of PG has disappeared as a result of the rise of multi-faceted, multiple position players.

Traditional pass only guards are no longer the norm. Now the emphasis is on Combo guards, guards that can play BOTH the 1 and the 2 or the 2 and the 3 positions.

While I can understand that it's not everyone's cup of tea, it's part of the evolution of the PG position that began with the addition of the 3s defense rule, the changes to hand checking, and the removal of the 2 hands rule. The removal of multiple tools on defense has made Offense a much more important commodity since you can not guard the same way or you risk foul calls.

This is also part of why you have a decline in traditional centers.

Had we been operating under the rules and enforcement of the 90's and 80's, MOST of the PG's in the league would be out of a job. However, the rules are different and as such the players are different, for better or worse.

However, none of this is the fault of Lin or the other PG's. They are a product of the times, and should be judged within the current context of NBA basketball.

To hold the past against the current generation of players when they had NO say in the creation of the current rules is to unfairly hold them to a standard that is unattainable.
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MrButtocks · Mar 31, 2014

Great to hear that he'll be back. I don't think the team would let him play if it was truly risking his long-term health. I don't care if we're not favored to win the 'ship, I want all our horses running. If we can get to the WCF or make it a competitive conference semis, I'd be happy. It's something we can build on as I'm 100% positive our roster will continue to improve.

Thefabman · Mar 31, 2014

Patrick Beverly is the P-1000

yummyhawtsauce · Mar 31, 2014

apollo33 said: ↑

I have MBA from Rice, and I collect ATM's at gas stations

we should be friends and not talk to the peasants
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LOL nice, go owls...I only have the undergrad...I generally try not to talk down to people, I'd like to think you can learn something new from everyone, although it's hard to tell for certain who the dumb teenagers are on cf

bobloblaw · Mar 31, 2014

apollo33 said: ↑

I have MBA from Rice, and I collect ATM's at gas stations

we should be friends and not talk to the peasants
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Winslow... is that you?

kvnzhangyay · Mar 31, 2014

torocan said: ↑

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No, my argument is multi-faceted.

1) Jump passing in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing since it is used VERY commonly across the NBA by a large number of players.

2) That if the coaches felt it was a real problem, then likely you would see adjustments in Lin's game. It is quite conceivable that they are intentionally leaving it as part of Lin's game as it's part of his development process.

3) Dragic showed limited potential for MANY years. Dragic was a professional for 5 years before he even was drafted into the NBA and was actually sub-par for most of his first THREE years. Now in his 10th season as a pro, you're seeing him at his peak. Had you judged him on his initial years in the NBA or his time as a pro in Europe by the same standard many judge Lin, Dragic would never have even gotten to the NBA. Long development curves is far from unusual for PG's. Kidd took MANY years, so did Lowry, so did Nash, so did many others. The main reason for this is simple... playing the PG is mainly about decision making. Decision making is built upon experience. And experience is only acquired through time and play.

Finally, your argument about PG's being "watered down" is a nonsensical argument. PG's are the deepest position in the NBA at the moment. The "traditional" position of PG has disappeared as a result of the rise of multi-faceted, multiple position players.

Traditional pass only guards are no longer the norm. Now the emphasis is on Combo guards, guards that can play BOTH the 1 and the 2 or the 2 and the 3 positions.

While I can understand that it's not everyone's cup of tea, it's part of the evolution of the PG position that began with the addition of the 3s defense rule, the changes to hand checking, and the removal of the 2 hands rule. The removal of multiple tools on defense has made Offense a much more important commodity since you can not guard the same way or you risk foul calls.

This is also part of why you have a decline in traditional centers.

Had we been operating under the rules and enforcement of the 90's and 80's, MOST of the PG's in the league would be out of a job. However, the rules are different and as such the players are different, for better or worse.

However, none of this is the fault of Lin or the other PG's. They are a product of the times, and should be judged within the current context of NBA basketball.

To hold the past against the current generation of players when they had NO say in the creation of the current rules is to unfairly hold them to a standard that is unattainable.
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Just stop lol not worth the effort. People will have their own opinions and whats going to happen in the fiat world, and its not going to change, even if your argument is amazing, because, well, your argument is opinion also
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Panda23 · Mar 31, 2014

yummyhawtsauce said: ↑

All my posts about any player are carefully thought out and articulate. No one questions that. The major difference between Lin fans and the majority of insane people on CF is that Lin fans are at least civil and non-offensive. There are a few quality posters here, tinman, DD, deckard, torocan etc. As someone with a top university education and a ibanking job, I know common sense when I read it. Most people here need to like, go back and finish high school or something.
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GoldmanSachs or gtfo

lol i kid

Deckard · Mar 31, 2014

This thread might deserve 5 stars now, folks. Not because it turned into the usual Lin Thread, which sucks, of course, but because it looks like Bev will be back for the playoffs. Definitely news I didn't expect!

THE DR34M · Mar 31, 2014

Bev coming back from a torn meniscus in one week shows how weak Lin is. Lin had to take 6 months off and have surgery, even then the LOFs were making excuses for him into the first half of last season.

yummyhawtsauce · Mar 31, 2014

Panda23 said: ↑

GoldmanSachs or gtfo

lol i kid
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lol i didn't get into GS, but still a bulge bracket bank

Panda23 · Mar 31, 2014

THE DR34M said: ↑

Bev coming back from a torn meniscus in one week shows how weak Lin is. Lin had to take 6 months off and have surgery, even then the LOFs were making excuses for him into the first half of last season.
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christ the trolls.

He doesn't need surgery, the severity of the injury isn't as high

Rose/Paul/Roy/etc.....

Panda23 · Mar 31, 2014

yummyhawtsauce said: ↑

lol i didn't get into GS, but still a bulge bracket bank
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deustchebank? my final guess HAHA

function · Mar 31, 2014

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Patrick Beverley is the kind of player that will make sacrifices for his team.

He watched Lin struggle mightily against the Clippers. He knew Lin was not ready to fill his shoes. Literally and figuratively.

So what does Pat do?

Does he ignore the team, cower and take the time off to protect himself and future $$?

Does he whine and moan, "Oh my menis....someone massage my menis!!!"

No sir, thats not what warriers do.

Tru warriers do whatever it takes to help the team.

Pat Bev is Metta World's peace love child and just like his daddy he is going to lead us in the playoffs.
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Wishful thinking and he is overrated on defense

function · Mar 31, 2014

THE DR34M said: ↑

Bev coming back from a torn meniscus in one week shows how weak Lin is. Lin had to take 6 months off and have surgery, even then the LOFs were making excuses for him into the first half of last season.
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If he were strong, he would not get hurt easily, that many times

rolyat93 · Mar 31, 2014

Why are we doing this to each other, CF? This is a time to be joyous!!

yummyhawtsauce · Mar 31, 2014

Panda23 said: ↑

deustchebank? my final guess HAHA
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hell no. I have self respect. It's one of the Morgans.

noisoplease · Mar 31, 2014

Intelligent poster like torocan are very enjoyable to read. Please continue.

Mr Chuck Norris · Mar 31, 2014

vlaurelio said: ↑

CF actually needs to weed out the delusional Norris Only Fans out of here

or its equivalent...
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you rang?

Pukimonster · Mar 31, 2014

Thefabman said: ↑

Patrick Beverly is the P-1000

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hahahahaha

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