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Patience is a virtue - why we may not be as far off as we think.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Nov 27, 2022.

  1. javal_lon

    javal_lon Member

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    I'm just glad they're producing what looks like competence.. Last week, they were on the verge of being outta sight , outta mind with me..
     
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  2. hakeem94

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    lol look at miami roster...went to finals twice in 3 years....all they have is undrafted guys, second rounders, late FRPs
    no micheal jordans or olajwon hakeems
    anything is possible
    i believe we can win it all even this year with the right moves...
     
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  3. hakeem94

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    we are alpi being given the keys away from HC and playoffs
    do it stone!
     
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  4. Ankara1923

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    I guess NBA fixed. Otherwise how Rockets pays $8M to Theis and $10M to Tate when NBA champion Bjelica (6'10") was available for $2M and Nicola Mirotic (also 6'10")plays for $5M.

    What Theis or Tate can give more than Bjelica-Mirotic.

    Pat Riley pays around 1.5M/year for certain players where Rox would pay 10 times more for them.Someone has to wake-up Tilman (if he is not part of the network).
     
  5. jerryclark

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    Its been 3 years already…
     
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  6. ApacheWarrior

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    My goal models similar to Warriors/Celtics build of last season.

    Josh Christopher is now surpassed by Scoot Henderson potential.
    JC has taken a big step back and Scoot is rolling this season:
    Scoot H after 6 games:
    21.2 pts....6.0 Ast....47.1 (3P%).....48.0 (FG%)....106 ORtg...116 DRtg
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    KPj is showing some improvement on drives:
    Here is 21/22 & 22/23 #'s: 2nd year KPj is playing PG
    .................Drives.....Pts....pass....pass%....TOV......TOV%
    22/23:
    .......16.2........7.8......6.7........41.6........0.9........5.8
    21/22:........9.4.........4.1......4.0........42.7........1.0........10.1
    So for people to say KPj is not improving is a tad off.

    Here are some other players: I note progress of SGA, Fox, D Murray
    from one year to this season.
    ....................Drives.....Pts.....pass.....pass%.....TOV......TOV%
    CP3.22/23.......8.4.......2.5........5.0.......59.5.........0.7.........8.3 [ real PG ]
    Cade 22/23......16.6.......9.8.........5.5........33.2........1.3.........7.5
    VanVleet 22/23..12.5.....4.5........6.9........55.6.........0.7.........5.6
    Ivey 22/23:..........12.5.....6.7........4.8........38.7.........0.8.........6.7
    Giddey 22/23......11.5.....6.1........4.1........35.9.........0.8.........7.2
    Brogdan 22/23....11.3....5.7........5.0........44.4..........0.8........7.1 [ real PG ]
    Conley 22/23........9.7.....2.7........5.4........55.2..........0.7........7.3 [ real PG ]

    SGA 22/23............25.1...16.4.......9.7........38.6.........1.1........4.4
    .........21/22............23.9...13.9......9.6........40.2..........1.1.......4.4

    DeJounte

    Murray.22/23.........12.7......7.1......4.8.........38.0.........0.7........5.4
    .............21/22.........17.9......9.2......8.1.........45.1.........1.1........5.9 [ All Star ]

    DeAaron
    Fox 22/23.................14.5.....10.0....5.5.........37.8.........1.1.......7.7
    .......21/22.................16.7.....12.2....4.4.........26.7.........1.1.......6.6
    ( per NBA.com/tracking )

    I'm of the belief that KPj can improve his trajectory similar to that
    of Fox, SGA and DeJounte Murray. If given the chance.
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    Scoot Henderson can challenge JC.......KPj if better?

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    NBA players position by rule is who they defend. I don't put
    Sengun vs PF intentionally. I put Sengun as center.
    PF's offensively need to shoot 3's imo. Sengun struggles
    with that at the moment. Safe label is Sengun at Center.

    I have Sengun bumped to the bench much like Jokic had to do this
    past playoff run vs the Warriors (First Round). I have athletic, mobile,
    versatile Centers that first and foremost protect the rim and rebound.
    Defend the interior well as with perimeter.

     
  7. rocketsjudoka

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    Here’s my shot at being Carnac the Magnificent.

    Here’s what we will do:

    Sengun/Garuba
    Jabari/KJ
    Tate/Eason
    Green/Garry Bird
    KPJ/TyTy

    Here’s what we should do:

    Sengun/Garuba
    Jabari/Eason
    KJ/Eason
    Green/KPJ
    TyTy/KPJ

    Trade EG, Tate, and Christopher

    I think we are finally moving EG this year regardless.
     
  9. coachbadlee

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    I expected this type of play to start around a week before all-star break. They are playing like they are a month or so ahead of schedule.
     
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    Keep in mind the Rockets have played two teams under .500 in 19 games. 2.
     
  11. dmoneybangbang

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    We hope to see progress this season but still be pretty bad record wise.

    Wouldn't mind throwing a max at Jerami Grant, Myles Turner or trading for Ayton for 2023.
     
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    Maybe my memory is slipping but the Heat went to actual Finals in 2020 and prior to that was around 2014, which would be twice in past 7 or so seasons

    Are you confusing Conference Finals with NBA Finals? Which they did go to two Conference Finals in past three seasons
     
  13. Zen Tabak

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    And prior to the two games they just won, only 6 home games
     
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    Are we really going with after 2 yrs Silas will finally reach the inevitable conclusion and install a motion offense around Sengun and all will be well as our final jeopardy answer here?
     
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  16. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!
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    I didn't say anything about Silas......I don't think he will do that, no.

    I don't believe he will be here much longer.

    DD
     
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  17. clutchdabear

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    Sadly, the only free agents that seem even remotely attractive in the 2023 class is Harden and Van Vleet.
     
  18. Swapshop

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    Sorry man but I don't think anyone thought the players were far off. It's the coaching that is the problem.
     
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  19. Rokman

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    Agreed. The only reason we get Wemby or Scoot and make a playoff run is if KPJ in year 4, Jalen and Sengun in year 3 and Smith and Tari in year 2 have matured to a point of being near the upper echelon of their positions which is what is expected of them in their prime.

    IF (big if) those 4 guys are around Top 10 of their respective positions then adding a Wemby or Scoot would definitely vault them into the Top 8 of the west.

    I believe that's why these young guys are getting so much burn. To speed up their progression and hope they can draft one of the big difference makers of the next draft.

    Tilman hates to lose but has bought into the tank process fully since it's cheap and the long term gains are potentially huge. Dudes a gambler for sure.
     
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  20. AroundTheWorld

    AroundTheWorld Insufferable 98er
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    I assume you are implying that Sengun is already near the upper echelon of his position, since you are not mentioning him.

    Good.
     
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