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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Refman, Jan 30, 2003.

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  1. montelwilliams

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    Rudy's famous quote should be changed to, "Never overestimate the heart of a LOSER."
     
  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Yes, the Mavs shot great from 3 point range...but NO ONE WAS GUARDING THEM...they were wide open 3 point shots.

    Why THE HELL is anyone sagging down to help on LaFrentz and Ming....

    Get a CLUE Mobes, Posey and Francis......Stay in front of YOUR own man.

    I see smarter play, and better execution at the local YMCA.

    This team is going nowhere....and it is time our expectations were lowered.

    We have had a home friendly opening schedule.....it is between us and Phoenix for the number 8 spot....the Lakers will grab 7.

    Maybe it is time for the Rocks to get Arenas from GS, and ship Mobley out.

    DD
     
  3. Rockets34Legend

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    I vote for DavidS to replace Rudy. At least it seems DavidS would make an effort to watch the tape and do something about it. I think Rudy gave up on the hoodlums.
     
  4. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

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    You know whats really embarrassing...this idiotic quote by Rudy.

    "The first half was the best we had all year," Rockets coach Rudy Tomjanovich said.

    BEST WE HAD ALL YEAR? He needs to be fired right now if he thinks thats the best we can play! We only led by 7 at the half against a Mavs team that didn't look all that great...and thats the best ball we've played ALL YEAR?!?! What a freakin moron. I hope that was just Rudy's press talk because its pretty sad if his best coaching and our players' best games can only get us a 7 point halftime lead. PATHETIC!!!
     
  5. A-Train

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    I'm sorry, but Steve actually played decent defense tonight. He was chasing Nash all over the floor, had three steals and only 1 foul.

    The thing that bugged me is that whenever Dirk set a high pick, his defender didn't step out on Nash. Steve kept fighting through the picks, but by the time he caught up with Nash, it was too late.
     
  6. CriscoKidd

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    How ****ing clever. :rolleyes:


    I pretty much agree with DC's take. I loved the energy and hustle the team had in the 1st half. In the 2nd the roles reversed. The mavs played with all the hustle and energy + they hit all their shots. I attribute part of that to a lack of focus on the Rocks part. If you can't stay focused enough to hustle and play smart for the whole game, then you aren't going to beat a good team like the Mavs that often.
     
  7. Verbatim

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    Always complaining. It's never the other team was better, or they were hotter, or they played defense.

    Rockets are not a good 3pt shooting team period. The Mavs are, and last night's 48% from 3pt land was amazing and no, not all the 3s were wide open. And while I hated watching Mobley fouling Finley at the 3pt line twice, I understand why he did it. He was TRYING to defend but was too late.

    And Steve tried to force it into Ming in the 2nd half but the defense of the Mavs sagged in (because the Rockets couldn't shoot from the outside) and the result was lots of TO and a neturalized Ming.

    And I don't like Shawn Bradley but he made a HUGE difference on their inside defense last night by blocking a bunch of shots. Sure he couldn't shoot but he didn't have to on the Mavs team.

    Rockets lost to one of the best teams in the league. They played great the 1st half but the Mavs got hot and the Rockets cool down in the 2nd. That's why they lost. The Mavs were taking 3s in the first half (wide open at times) but missed. They didn't in the 2nd half.

    That's life. And if the Rockets all played tight defense on the 3pt line, then Mavs would have drove to the middle and Ming would commit and La Fentz (sp) would be open from the corner for the wide open 3. Ming will also block a few but he's not getting the calls these days so I wouldn't count on it so he would be in foul trouble.

    Face it, when the team is HOT from the 3pt line, they can't lose.
     
  8. heypartner

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    So being a Walt Williams fan must be bliss, too, since you must be feeling kinda ignorant naming yourself after ThaWiz.

    stay down
     
  9. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Dude, no one expects the Rockets to go 82 and 0. As has been said before, it is the way they played. Are you going to say the Rockets played well?
     
  10. heech

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    Seriously hp, kettle-black on the insulting other people cause you're frustrated thing.

    As far as the game goes, no doubt Dallas could've beaten a lot of teams last night... they would've probably cruised by the Kings with that kind of performance.

    But none of that explains the way the Rockets fell apart. As the Chron said so succintly: they PANICKED. If this team is going to go anywhere in the playoffs, do you seriously expect'em to play against teams that aren't firing on all cylinders? The Rockets are going to have to face a Dallas team that makes 15 3's, or hell, a Kobe Bryant that can make 12 3's by himself.

    The offense scored 28 points in the second half. The only explanation? Dallas delivered a solid punch, and the Rockets folded. The Rockets never got back into their offensive flow, and they lost all intensity on defense.

    You're right, the Rockets didn't fall down on their own. The Dallas, a big bully, helped'em down to the canvas. But once the Rockets went down, they stayed down. This is not a team that played with heart, intelligence, or grit.
     
  11. heypartner

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    Seriously heech, who's frustrated. You, refman, kidrock8.

    Not me. I'm just pointing out the frustrated insults by a hangout boy who tries never to resort to insults. I never said I didn't partake in insults...but that hangout boy likes to try not to, and lost it in frustration last night. It's pretty funny to me, so I thought it funny to point out. I'm collecting a lot of fan frustration from last night. Kick them while they are down.

    btw: I am not the one to call a kettle black. I know I can be insulting to fans who insult the Rockets. I eve But now...Refman know his frustration led to insults, simpy from a fan disagreeing with him. His kettle is black now.

    that's cool :cool:

    You guys should insult me. It will make you feel better than insulting the Rockets. But then again, I'll talk back.

    for instance, as you said in your post, your take is directly from the Chronicle with a little Fran and Feigen's boxing metaphor. Do you have your own take, or are you trying to give the appearance of one so your post won't be read solely as your frustrated need to put me in my place.

    "a solid punch ... down to the canvas"

    riveting, man.
     
  12. Visagial

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    great post dckid. Francis and Yao are mostly effective inside. We have nothing to keep the defense from sagging.
     
  13. giddyup

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    Here's a clue: ZERO PERIMETER DEFENSE
     
  14. Rockets34Legend

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    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. And attacking Refman's opinion on the Rockets sucking, he's entitled to it. We are all entitled to get frustrated about this team. This team is out of wack and needs help.
     
  15. Refman

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    Wow...I didn't realize I wasn't part of the clique. :rolleyes:

    You greatly overestimate your importance to the organization.

    You're damned right I'm frustrated. I have been a Rockets fan since 1979...it would have been sooner, but I was only 6 years old at the time. I have supported some really horrible Rockets teams. It isn't the losing that has me frustrated...it is the lack of an offensive system inthe second half.

    How many times did Steve or Cuttino take a shot before his teammates had gotten down the floor, only to miss the shot? Too damned many. You won't beat ANYBODY playing like that.
     
  16. X-PAC

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    The lack of defensive adjustments made in the second half just boggles the mind. I don't think Houston is going to stop Dirk but after Mobley's first foul on Finley, behind the arch, I just don't understand how Rudy T feels confident in Mobley after that mistake. I know Dallas is the better team but sit Mobley down and bring in Hawk and place him on Finley. Improvise Rudy! Why leave Mobley in just to foul this guy again in the act of shooting another trey. And offensively they didn't do much better in the second half. How many touches did Yao get in the final half? 2? 3? Yao was the only offense of the night. What are you going to do give it to Mobley so he can pass up Yao in the post and drive in the lane and jack up a brick in vain? I know Yao had some bad looks but for crying out loud no one else would take the shot from the outside. FORCE the ball inside. This is where Houston missed Glenn Rice. I know I might get grilled for this but everyone else was reluctant to take it. Instead they drove inside, into an onslaught of blue jerseys and turn it over. Houston needs some outside shooting in a bad way. If I'm Houston and Horry is on the table for Taylor I do that deal without even contemplating it. I think if Rudy T is going to be successful with this team he's going to have to bust out with the 94', 95' playbooks. Mobley has played some great defense these past few games. I'm not a Mobley or Francis hater. I still wouldn't trade Francis. I am confident that someday he will get it. But I think one should question Mobley's role on this team. After acquiring Ming I think its very clear who the one, two punch is on this team. I hate to critique this team like this after losing to the best team in the conference but they clearly displayed some game against this team in the first half and then took the second half off.
     
  17. Timing

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    No, I'm not done. It wasn't Dallas schooling us with a rain of 3's, it was Michael Finley and somehow he kept getting wide open every time down the court. In the first half the Mavs were also wide open but just missed their shots and this first half is the "best we'd had all year". Somehow, Yao Ming managed to get less shots than four other Rockets even though he didn't miss a shot in the first half and our offense wilted in the face of increased intensity from the famous Mavs "stopper" defense that couldn't guard a fence post in the first half. Don Nelson completely outcoached RudyT, again, but look at the bright side at least Steve Francis didn't come up with another boneheaded classic about how much the Mavs need to improve.
     
  18. heech

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    Like I could care less where your place was? I've made similar comments about the game in multiple threads on this forum, and I'll continue to hold to my views. I agree with 'little Fran', that hardly means my take is directly from him. And even if it was, so what? Do you ever plan on debating the take, or just the personalities behind the take?

    Let me summarize your perspectives on the game last night, from what you've shared so far:

    - Don't insult the Rockets.
    - The game was still enjoyable and you had a good time.
    - The Rockets didn't play poorly, they were just whooped by an amazing Dallas team.
    - Oh, and don't insult the Rockets.

    All of this mixed up with a dash of attitude and moral self-righteousness. Fascinating. We already got your point: the Rockets are fine, and anyone who doesn't enjoy the Rockets either has some sort of a personal flaw and/or doesn't understand basketball.

    Here's my version, which I (while biased) certainly find more interesting:

    - The Rockets played like crap in the second half.
    - It was a painful, painful game that I hated watching. I felt like Yao on the bench, holding my head between my hands. (Whereas you felt like Francis... have a few laughs, enjoy the fans, drink a few beers.)
    - The Rockets showed their fragility yet again. They play well in stretches, but then play poorly for stretches in the face of adversity.
    - The Rockets *WILL* most likely need to make personnel changes to take this team to the next level.
     
  19. feishen

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    HP, I bet Boston hit more 3s than Dallas did in last that month's match.


     
  20. DaDakota

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    I agree with Heech.

    DD
     

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