I'd like for you to expand on this a bit more, because regardless of your sex, you are human and have to be at least somewhat rational. Have $700 and your rent is $650? Can't buy those boots or dress that you really want. Perhaps I'm confusing common sense with whatever you're talking about. Also, I'm not sure what you mean with your intellectual comment. Most men will bypass intellect if a girl is attractive enough, but if a guy has a choice between two women that are comparable in attraction and one is more on his level while the other isn't, guys will generally choose who we're on the same level with. It's not even so much about intellect, it's about who you enjoy talking to more, in my opinion. Maybe I'm just reading too much into what you're saying though.
Again, it's the difference between women who are desirable and get attention naturally versus those who don't. And there's a reason these women gravitate towards certain kinds of men - they'll be able to continue embracing their sexuality and every little decision of theirs won't be questioned in a pros versus cons manner. It's a sense of entitlement genetically instilled in them based on society's valuation of their self worth. Successful, good looking or talented men appreciate that these girls are more pleasant to be around and have less defense mechanisms and insecurities weighing them down. Of course, there are always exceptions. This is the primary driving force behind natural selection for the top 10%. Not buying clothes for a year just isn't life for some people. Why do naturally beautiful women tend to be the craziest and most stubborn? Because they can get away with it, not because they lack intellect or reasoning abilities. Life has conditioned them to this thought process - that they will find a way to get what they want without approaching circumstances the way your average Joe does. It boils down to being a victim of your circumstances - I'm not encouraging anyone to spend beyond their means. But I find it perfectly normal for a girl who is attractive to spend extravagantly on clothes once in a while over things a guy would consider more rational. And if she's led a privileged life she'll also be spending a lot on handbags and shoes. I know you've grown up in America so your understanding of women is based on "levels". There is so much more to the art of conversation and interaction than being on the same "level" as a girl so you can do things in a systematic and logical manner - and relate to each other through this and this alone. But the internet demographic is a society of robots, resulting in a lack of charisma and understanding behind the dynamics of a male and a female coming together, as opposed to a friend and a friend turning into lovers.
<br> You make your observations out to be black and white when there are a lot of gray areas that are hard to understand. I still don't really know if you are being serious or not with these posts, but for the sake of discussion I will bite. First off, you make it out to be naturally attractive women vs. those who are not. That is not necessarily what this is about. I think in general when these conversations pop up, it is about the attractive girls to start out with. There is really no point in analyzing those who we do not consider to be attractive, because there is no question about that. I agree that successful or talented men tend to pursue these women and thus the women gravitate towards those men. Further breaking down "attractive girls" gets a bit tricky. For our discussion we are going to be using a successful, talented bachelor. There are a number of different variables in place here. One being the number of attractive women attainable for the man. If a girl has competition from another female, she is more likely to be more on edge in terms of appearance and sexuality. Pretty self explanatory really. She will generally (with exceptions) be better dressed and more presentable than a woman who has become complacent with her life. Especially one who is satisfied with her married life and has children. Another thing we have to analyze is the background of the woman. The way she is raised will lead her to project herself in certain ways. One who has spent her life raised in a middle class or upper middle class family might have a better sense of how to keep an attractive and sophisticated wardrobe within reasonable means. On the other hand, someone who grew up not as well off might overcompensate by buying tons of clothes. The last sort of woman is the one who grew up in an upper class family and buys everything just because she can. Of course, I am overgeneralizing here, but this happens quite often from what I have seen. Continuing on, a woman's social life has a lot to do with this as well. Her job and hobbies play a big part of how she presents herself. I have yet to really formulate an opinion on this one, but I think it is evident. Women who hold prestigious jobs look and act a certain way. Similarly so do those who "go out" a lot. Then you have woman who are somewhat introverted yet still attractive. There are a lot of different things going on in this subtopic. Not really sure how to define all of it within a limited viewpoint. Next, I think you have to differentiate between sexuality and attractiveness. The idea of "looking good" can be either a good thing or a bad one. When finding a life partner I think every man looks for that "beautiful" girl. I don't think openly expressing sexuality is a factor that most people want. I think you generalized that way too much. A sexy, confident woman is one thing. One who flaunts her assets is another. That is cool and all for flings, but not for a potential candidate for a life partner. I have to touch a bit on what is being bought as well. Certainly clothes that are necessities and fashionable are perfectly acceptable. Going out of your way to buy something unreasonable is something else. Some women find mink coats and the like to be attractive. Expensive and attractive do not necessarily relate. Half of what models wear looks looks unappealing. I think if what is being bought is in the realm of "good looking" then there should be no problems. Finally on, I want to make a comment on something that JusBleezy said. Why is it that in threads like this, women who do not have the means to buy things are brought up? I think it is a given that they should not be engaging in such behavior. Call me superficial, but the "successful and talented man" should probably be interacting with people who are similar to his financial and social situation. This goes a very long way in producing a nice stable relationship. <br> <br> What you are saying here holds truth. The naturally beautiful woman is more likely to wait it out and get whats she wants. She knows that she does not have to be tied to that one man, because she can get mostly whatever she wants. Or at least that is the mentality. However, there is one thing you are overlooking here: female behavior. All woman become clingy. The only thing it depends on is with who. Those same girls who may have acted "crazy or stubborn" with certain men will start to act just like the generic girl when she findsthat one guy. I guess that is when you are able to differentiate those who truly lack intelligence or reasoning abilities with those who cannot. Yet, sometimes by that point those girls have not used those abilities in so long that they become a forgotten art. <br> I completely agree with you first paragraph. Stop trolling. Everyone who has been in any relationship that has some semblance of stability knows that it is not all about being on the same level. Every relationship go through periods where things are not rational or logical. Being able to get through that is the sign of a healthy one. Once again, you are right about the internet stereotyping. However, it is not as big a problem as you think. Since you like to bash American society so much, I think you will realize that this is a "problem" on both sides. The same dynamics are behind a woman's interaction with a man as the other way around. So I guess that general lack of charisma and understanding that you think is plaguing our society reflects both fronts. Or it could be that the relation between men and women is not necessarily to your liking, yet still acceptable. Oh and, there is nothing wrong with friends becoming lovers
You want to continue generalizing on subjects that actually have many diverse answers? Go on ahead. Maybe that's the norm in your society/nationality since you seem bent on creating a divide there. Regardless, I'd love to respond but hamza said nearly everything I would have and my response would be nearly half a page. So applause to you hamza. Not completely sure what you mean by "threads like this", but my reason for bringing it up was to exemplify reason/logic when he said men don't/shouldn't look for it in women. I agree with you saying that it's a given that she shouldn't be spending in such a manner, but from what I gathered from Ronny's post, men shouldn't look for this quality in women because it's not their "forte" as he put it. Made it seem like you must date ugly women if I look for rationality/reason like my above example. But, again, I'm only American and my outlook is completely wrong. I've seen plenty of Ronny's post and he seemed nice enough, but that American downtalk was..... unexpected. Interesting conversation nonetheless.
<br> Well, I just meant threads where us guys like to analyze the behavior of women. I understand your example and definitely agree with it. I just meant that we should look past those types of women to start out with, because they would never be up to Ronny's standards anyways. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On the rationality/reason topic: I think Ronny is right to a certain extent that it is not the strong point of many women. But, apparently he only dates superficial; immature, young twenty somethings. Sure women act on impulse and emotion more than men. Actually, hell men do it just as much as women. Just not as extensively. But apparently we are all wrong for not wanting some crazy and stubborn girl who is also hot. Because according to Ronny, craziness and beauty have a direct correlation. We Americans are so darn wrong. Oh, and I thought the American downtalk was a staple of Ronny posting... Thread aesthetics, right buddy?
Indeed. We're in agreement then. To be honest, I don't know much about him so I walked right into it. Hey, fool me once....
Hamza + JusBleezy, you make a few valid points on an issue most people term "subjective" as a way of self-preservation. The universal standard of beauty is quite standard, but growing up a lot of us realize that it isn't easily attainable. So we condition our thought processes to idolize something that is much more relatable, reveling in it's attainability more than actual aesthetics. And this is what we convince ourselves beauty is, how someone else makes us feel. So I didn't mean to imply all attractive/desirable women were stubborn and illogical, but there are startling similarities between the very attractive women of the world, from continent to continent, no matter how unique they want you to believe they are. Environmental factors/upbringing/culture play a huge role in defining a girl. We will never be able to develop a foolproof formula to determine the behavioral patterns of every attractive girl, but they all follow a general line on the scatter plot? This is because they all have one thing in common - they are highly desired. Similar to marketers understanding the spending patterns of people past a certain income level (the affluent), we can understand the thought process and desires of a girl who is very attractive - regardless of her ambition, race, etc. I don't think there is a big difference between sexuality and attractiveness. The art of teasing is something all beautiful women have in common, they've had to develop this as a survival mechanism growing up as a way of regulating the attention they receive (i.e. warding off the "haters", the "pervs", people who end up using them, etc.). And good looking women will wear clothing that shows off their form; you can't call a busty girl slutty for wearing the same thing a surfboard girl can get away with. It's all relative. Another thing - I will always date women in their lower 20's. The emotional baggage a woman has by the time she's 26-27 plus the fact that her prime years physically were with some other guy is something my ego can't handle. They're also more likely to become set in their ways at that time, and that is an absolute no-no for a perennial jet setter like me. The successful and attractive man likes to separate work and play, the average man can't afford to do that. It's as simple as that, so don't think the boys upstairs expect you to bring out a scholar every time they invite you for steak. I have dated a few models and they are a completely different experience to good looking girls in a more... professional industry. These girls know how to carry themselves, play off their sexuality, make witty conversation - but they lack the aura of a girl who constantly wants to be taken seriously... which could deter men who need to overcompensate in this field. Personally, I prefer a girl who is more into the arts and clothing and style than trying to keep up with me when talking about financial regulations and tariffs and quotas etc. This doesn't mean she isn't ambitious or a busy body, it's more about where her subconscious lies and understanding this allows for genuine conversation and great sex. Like you said, it really boils down to what works for your own situation - but there's nothing wrong with making unbiased observations on relationships in America vs. the ROW. Spoiler
I never overlooked this, I'm all about disciplining the bad girls and making them good by fitting their natural selection criteria to the T. The saddest thing I've heard are guys (granted, in college) who go through entire relationships without getting a BJ from their gf, because she finds it "icky". It's because he doesn't have the ability to bring it out of her, to make her feel comfortable losing her inhibitions, etc. She quite simply, isn't crazy enough about him.
GUYS!!!! who freaking cares?! did you see those asses on that link?! No offense, because i do enjoy reading some of your comments...but...y'all got some serious issues
This isn't related to "getting" girls or "spitting game". It's a light discussion about behavioral patterns of women. I think we're all waiting for Mrs. Valdez to weigh in on the subject - unless she feels self conscious about posting while wearing century old rags.
What would you like me to do, talk about my affection for taking long ****s after lunch while pondering what I'm going to microwave for dinner so I can come off as relatable? Relax and contribute, this isn't a contest. It's easy to hide in your igloo and scoff at the things that go on outside.
<br> I for one am kind of starting to like Ronny's posts. For some reason, I have to agree with what he just said.
<br> You know, I actually kind of agree with you. I also somewhat want to start a thread about this in the D&D. I really do not think beauty is completely subjective. I think there is a general standard for a girl to be beautiful. Beyond that, it becomes based on individual taste. <br> <br> Because my experiences have brought me to a similar conclusion, I will agree with you here too. <br> <br> I see what you are saying, and I do think every girl plays "hard to get" to a certain extent. It is all about breaking the barrier and relating though. However, thhis is where you and I differ. Call me conservative, but I like for a girl to reserve that for me. You may say that women have the right to express that. Sure, of course they do. It's just that I would personally rather have someone who kept it under wraps except in private <br> <br> Call me shallow, but I am the exact same way. I want to catch someone early, before that baggage is there. I mean...ideal situation is a girl who has not been with more than a guy or two. That's probably not going to happen. But yeahh, again I agree with you. <br> <br> On this point I somewhat agree. I don't necessarily care if the girl is as smart as me. I just want someone who has a general awareness of currents events and the state of affairs in the world. Someone with a grasp on culture is also always a great touch. It is all about confidence. A girl who is intellectually capable and has confidence goes much further than one who is just knowledgeable. Additionally, I think it is odd when a girl is not into clothes and beauty. That is after all what makes them feminine....
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