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Pat Neshek traded to Philadelphia

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by J.R., Nov 4, 2016.

  1. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    My source told me Johnny Callison.
     
  2. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    I saw Carlos Delgado mentioned on another board.
     
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  3. Hey Now!

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    Money was a factor, obviously - but this was a baseball decision first. He was sixth on the bullpen's depth chart, clearly behind Giles, Harris, Gregerson, Devenski and Feliz. In that context, it makes no sense to pay someone $6.5MM for 45-50 mostly benign innings. But, he likely would've been dealt had he been making $1.65MM; they had a logjam in their pen they needed to clear.
     
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    If he was left-handed he would be in the pen, money be damned.

    Has he tried throwing left-handed?
     
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    Exactly; it was a baseball decision that I fear will evolve into a "Jim Crane is cheap" decision.
     
  6. rocketpower2

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    I don't understand how people can think that Neshek's role in the bullpen was worth $6.5MM dollars. That is what it came down to, the depth in the pen is too good and there are too many versatile weapons for Neshek's strengths to be worth that price.
     
  7. No Worries

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    Funny how Hinch brought in Neshek before Feliz.

    Comparing Neshek versus Devenski is a long versus short reliever comparison. Apples to oranges.
     
  8. Hey Now!

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    If you're being literal, and Neshak was often brought in before Feliz - that solidifies Feliz's standing as your better relievers are held back for later, higher-leverage innings.

    If, as I suspect, you meant he often chose Neshak over Feliz in high-leverage situations, I'd have to do a deeper dive - but Feliz totaled nearly 20 more innings than Neshak despite being in the minor leagues the first month of the season.

    I mean, look - money *was* a factor... if Feliz = Neshak, no team - even a rich team like the Yankees - would keep Neshak over Feliz. My point is only that money wasn't the *only* factor. Even if Neshak was better than Feliz, he's still behind Giles, Harris and Gregerson. His roles was going to be low/medium leverage situations.
     
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    well played BUT i dont THINK that you considered what he would DO for the astros. if i was manager over DUMB HINCH i would make this trade every day. especially IF delgado ends up being good for us. if he doesnt then STUPID HINCH should not have done it.
     
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    Octavio Dotel
     

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