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[Pat Buchanan] Our hollow prosperity

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by tigermission1, Feb 20, 2006.

  1. tigermission1

    tigermission1 Contributing Member

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    Our hollow prosperity

    By Patrick J. Buchanan

    02/15/06 -- -- Now that the U.S. trade deficit for 2005 has come in at $726 billion, the fourth straight all-time record, a question arises.

    What constitutes failure for a free-trade policy? Or is there no such thing? Is free trade simply right no matter the results?

    Last year, the United States ran a $202 billion trade deficit with China, the largest ever between two nations. We ran all-time record trade deficits with OPEC, the European Union, Japan, Canada and Latin America. The $50 billion deficit with Mexico was the largest since NAFTA passed and also the largest in history.


    When NAFTA was up for a vote in 1993, the Clintonites and their GOP fellow-travelers said it would grow our trade surplus, raise Mexico's standard of living and reduce illegal immigration.

    None of this happened. Indeed, the opposite occurred. Mexico's standard of living is lower than it was in 1993, the U.S. trade surplus has vanished, and America is being invaded. Mexico is now the primary source of narcotics entering the United States.

    Again, when can we say a free-trade policy has failed?

    The Bushi tes point proudly to 4.6 million jobs created since May 2003, a 4.7 percent unemployment rate and low inflation.

    Unfortunately, conservative columnist Paul Craig Roberts and analysts Charles McMillion and Ed Rubenstein have taken a close look at the figures and discovered that the foundation of the Bush prosperity rests on rotten timber.

    The entire job increase since 2001 has been in the service sector – credit intermediation, health care, social assistance, waiters, waitresses, bartenders, etc. – and state and local government.

    But, from January 2001 to January 2006, the United States lost 2.9 million manufacturing jobs, 17 percent of all we had. Over the past five years, we have suffered a net loss in goods-producing jobs.

    "The decline in some manufacturing sectors has more in common with a country undergoing saturation bombing than with a super-economy that is 'the envy of the world,'" writes Roberts.


    Communications equipment lost 43 percent of its workforce. Semiconductors and electronic components lost 37 percent ... The workforce in computers and electronic products declined 30 percent. Electrical equipment and appliances lost 25 percent of its workforce.


    How did this happen? Imports. The U.S. trade deficit in advanced technology jobs in 2005 hit an all-time high.

    As for the "knowledge industry" jobs that were going to replace blue-collar jobs, it's not happening. The information sector lost 17 percent of all its jobs over the last five years.

    In the same half-decade, the U.S. economy created only 70,000 net new jobs in architecture and engineering, while hundreds of thousands of American engineers remain unemployed.

    If we go back to when Clinton left office, one finds that, in five years, the United States has created a net of only 1,054,000 private-sector jobs, while government added 1.1 million. But as many new private sector jobs are not full-time, McMillion reports, "the country ended 2005 with fewer private sector hours worked than it had in January 2001."

    This is an economic triumph?

    Had the United States not created the 1.4 million new jobs it did in health care since January 2001, we would have nearly half a million fewer private-sector jobs than when Bush first took the oath.

    Ed Rubenstein of ESR Research Economic Consultants looks at the wage and employment figures and discovers why, though the Bu****es were touting historic progress, 55 percent of the American people in a January poll rated the Bush economy only "fair" or "poor."

    Not only was 2005's growth of 2 million jobs a gain of only 1.5 percent, anemic compared to the average 3.5 percent at this stage of other recoveries, the big jobs gains are going to immigrants.

    Non-Hispanic whites, over 70 percent of the labor force, saw only a 1 percent employment increase in 2005. Hispanics, half of whom are foreign born, saw a 4.7 percent increase. As Hispanics will work for less in hospitals and hospices, and as waiters and waitresses, they are getting the new jobs.

    But are not wages rising? Nope. When inflation is factored in, the Economic Policy Institute reports, "real wages fell by 0.5 percent over the last 12 months after falling 0.7 percent the previous 12 months."

    If one looks at labor force participation – what share of the 227 million potential workers in America have jobs – it has fallen since 2002 for whites, blacks and Hispanics alike. Non-Hispanic whites are down to 63.4 percent, but black Americans have fallen to 57.7 percent.

    What is going on? Hispanic immigrants are crowding out black Americans in the unskilled, semi-skilled and skilled job market. And millions of our better jobs are being lost to imports and outsourcing.

    The affluent free-traders, whose wealth resides in stocks in global companies, are enriching themselves at the expense of their fellow citizens and sacrificing the American worker on the altar of the Global Economy.

    None dare call it economic treason.

    © 2006 Creators Syndicate Inc.
     
  2. geeimsobored

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    a libertarian calling you out on bad free trade policy...

    That stings...
     
  3. bnb

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    Buchanan's always been a protectionist.

    And an idiot.

    There are many, more credible voices concerned with trade deficits
     
  4. tigermission1

    tigermission1 Contributing Member

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    He's not the only conservative writer who's been critical or Bush policies. I am interested in getting bigtexxx' or another Bush supporter's take on the numbers Buchanan presents in his article...those are devastating stats if this trend continues -- nothing leads me to believe things will get better anytime soon.
     
  5. basso

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    Buchanan's a xenophobic clown and an idiot. it's a sign of how far the democrats have fallen that they cite bozos like buchanan as proxies to criticize GWB. seriously, the guy is one step up from david duke. "Buchanan" in french is spelled "Le Pen."
     
  6. underoverup

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    those whiny liberals are at it again ;)
     
  7. vlaurelio

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    can you point out anything idiotic with this clown's opinion?
     
  8. surrender

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    Description of Ad Hominem

    Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

    An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

    1. Person A makes claim X.
    2. Person B makes an attack on person A.
    3. Therefore A's claim is false.

    The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).
     
  9. wnes

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    LOL, good one. Just to make one comment here. Buchanan was at one time considered anti-semitic. He doesn't have many friends in either major political parties.
     
  10. Deckard

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    So you have absolutely nothing to say about the numbers and "facts" he presented. Just a silly, personal attack on Buchanan with absolutely no substance related to what he laid out in his column. Can you refute what he wrote? Are you reduced to the Trader_J school of debate and discussion, which amounts to jokes and noise, with nothing to back it up?

    Oh, that's just groovy. I'm fast getting past feeling sad reading posts of yours like this. It's really not groovy... it's a bummer, dude. You're better than that. I'm not a fan of Buchanan, but I would like an explanation of why his facts are wrong, instead of another bad joke. The numbers are rather staggering, if true.



    Keep D&D Civil.
     
  11. insane man

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    so why was he in the reagan administration?
     
  12. tigermission1

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    Basso,

    If I indulge you and agree that Buchanan has "throwback" views on race, religion, etc. What the heck does that have to do with the substance in the article? Does he make an attack on Jews or Blacks or Mexicans?

    Address the article based on its contents, please, would like to hear your counter-argument on this.
     
  13. Aceshigh7

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    Pat Buchanan would have made an excellent president. He's the only politician in recent times that actually understands the immigration debacle this country is in. Read his books. They are excellent. And before anyone accuses him or I of being racists or xenophobes, Buchanan supports legal immigration (as do I), but is not afraid to speak out against the waves of illegal immigration we've been seeing for years.

    The great thing about Buchanan is that even though the liberals hate his guts, they can't really quibble with him on the facts because he is so smart and explains his positions so well.
     
  14. surrender

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    What a surprise, Aceshigh can't make a post without sneaking in an unjustified attack

    P.S. If you had been paying attention lately, you would have noticed that liberals have been agreeing with Buchanan on foreign policy for a while now since both sides tend to be isolationist. But don't let that get in the way of your little diatribe
     
  15. Aceshigh7

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    Actually, if you ever watch a liberal try to debate him, you'll see that what I posted wasn't an attack, it was the truth.
     
  16. surrender

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    And what does "liberals trying to debate him" have to do with this article on foreign policy, a facet where liberals are generally in full agreement with him?

    Nice red herring.
     
  17. Aceshigh7

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    Umm, there are posters in this thread calling him an idiot and a xenophobe. I was providing some background on the man and expressing my admiration for him.

    You're wasting alot of time and energy on nothing.

    And you really think liberals agree with Buchanan on foreign policy? That's one of the funniest things i've read in a long time. Since when did liberals give a damn about securing our southern border, demanding a fair shake with our trade partners to ease our massive trade deficits and protect American companies, and cutting out unnecessary aid to Israel and other countries?
     
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  18. jo mama

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    so which is it guys? have liberals fallen in love with buchanan or do they hate him? me so confused :confused:
     
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    The liberals started caring when the Bushies stopped caring about these things. Bush sold out our border to get a bigger chunk of the latino vote.
     
  20. hotballa

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    This is what happens when people stop yelling at each other and actually listen. They find out they have a lot more in common than they thought.
     

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