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PASS MARTIN THE BALL?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ShiniKashi, Feb 24, 2010.

  1. llRainmanll

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    For some reason, I think Lowry would be better for us as a Starter. We always start games off on the wrong foot, not sure whether it's just our shooting as of late or Brooks not setting up the offense quick enough to get a decent shot attempt, but something has to change. Lowry's defense has always been a good thing to have, especially since rafer was traded and brooks lacks the weight to push other guys away from the lane. Lowry also is a pure-PG, so he's not looking to score before setting someone else up.

    As far as Martin goes though, the way he was attacking the rack and drawing fouls was really getting me excited. I mean, we've had lowry that goes head first into the ground for fouls (overexaggerating here), Landry headbutting people before rising for dunks and drawing fouls (overexaggerating here too, possibly lol) and now we got Martin to draw the fouls that Landry was getting in the lane so hopefully we can turn this ship around when Lowry and Ariza gets back, if not, I won't mind heading to the lottery and watching my dad's Magic win the championship.
     
  2. dartherus

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    Unfortunatedly, court vision doesn't tend to be developed by training in adult age, as some physical limitations o shooting technique can....

    This court vision is more related to IQ, something part genetic, part nurtured AT EARLY AGE.....in adulthood is less likely to find a big change....

    You can see it with Tony Parker, his court vision is as good as it was when Junior, having 2 very intelligent and very team oriended stars (Duncan and Manu didn't hesitate in sacrifizing their personal stats for the sake fo the team in their primer) in the same team helped to cover such defficiency.

    Brooks can work when he has players that cover such lack of Baskebtall IQ, but this isn't the case, KMart is a scoring first player, less compatible when you think in the team. That's why I said before that you should notice that the whole team started to fail before Landry was traded, it was when Lowry got injured who a notorius decline begun.
     
  3. CheezeyBoy22

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    One thing I think it's worth bringing up is the fact that Morey and Adelman thought they were going to get more out of David Anderson. I love Hayes for what he does but I don't see him outhustling players like he did in the beginning. I'm starting to see him tire out more than he has in years past. I think it has to do with all the minutes he's logged this year. Hayes has been on bench a lot of times in years past and then called upon towards the middle and the end of the year due to injury.

    This team was going to struggle after this trade. Now granted they were struggling before the trade took place but now you have new pieces...
    We do have a lot of new pieces. If we start to fall apart in the next 10 games, I really want to see Jordan Hill play more minutes.
     
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  4. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    I am calm but this is the type of stuff losing teams go through. It's sucks to say it but The Rockets are not very good this year. It's been a long time since that's been the case. :(

    He played. It's a money grab really. All these International friendlies are just ways to get Salvadorians to buy tickets and get the the young players some run.
     
  5. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    We knew that going into this year, that the team was not going to contend. It is why I think Budinger needs to play a LOT more.

    Hill and Armstrong too, find out what we have going forward.

    DD
     
  6. CheezeyBoy22

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    Lowry is great in certain matchups but he can't shoot the outside shot. That's where AB is very important to this team. You have to have a PG that make a team pay for doubling Yao, Martin, or whoever Morey brings in. That's why Orlando was able to kill teams when they doubled Howard.
     
  7. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    I knew we wouldn't contend but I didn't expect to lose this many home games and end up in the early teens of the lotto.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    Shhhhhh, stop using basketball sense........you are wasting bandwidth, let them hate.........

    Ignorance is bliss.

    DD
     
  9. DaDakota

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    Yeah, but come June you will be ok with that.

    :grin:

    DD
     
  10. CheezeyBoy22

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    Haha I just copy everything you say... :grin:

    I'm not worthy!

    hehe
     
  11. Angkor Wat

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    Why would they blatantly ignore him? Just because he's the "new guy"? This ain't high school. Plus, T-Mac is no longer here so I doubt he has been "isoed" by the team.
     
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  12. ChumpCity

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    You sir, are a creative one......"K-Brick???" Did you think of that one all by yourself.......are you proud?

    Not sure if you are 12 years old or an angry 35 year old, but the history of basketball tells us that the jump shot is the last thing to leave a player. Being that he is 27, and in the prime of his career......I don't think we have to worry about that.

    Seriously, do you think this guy just forgot how to shoot after being a 40% shooter his entire career. If you do, please do us all a favor and stop following the rockets and posting on this board. Just give up on basketball all together..........
     
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  13. JayGoogle

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    Who said to get rid of Brooks?

    He's insinuating that we'd only have Lowry and would get rid of Brooks...

    Also seems to me playmaking is more important for a PG than shooting a open 3 is. Just look at Rondo, Kidd(for most of his career), and Derrick Rose. Most of the all-star PGs are playmakers first...oh wait all of them are playmakers first.
     
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  14. JayGoogle

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    Well Jameer isn't a score-first PG either like Brooks.
     
  15. DaDakota

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    Rose is a playmaker first? 5.8 assists a game, that is HUGE !! A whole .7 more than Brooks....almost 1 more assist a game...whew.

    Link to PG assists per game stats

    And you are stuck in old school thinking, there is no definitive way for a PG to play, some are scoring points, some distributing points, but at the end of the day the makeup of the roster determines what you need.

    The Rockets need scoring in the backcourt because they have none in the frontcourt.

    Add Yao next year, and this team takes off, with Lowry off the bench.

    DD
     
  16. Deckard

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    Just wanted to mention that I like your moniker. It's what I think when I'm down from Austin, fighting Houston's insane traffic. I can say that because I grew up in The Jewel of the Gulf Coast, before escaping to The Third Coast. That, and you forgot to write "from the arc" with the 40%. Martin is a terrific midrange shooter. People need to watch the second half again, the part when Kevin actually got the ball.

    Oh, and send Clutch a small check, so you can enjoy the full benefits of ClutchFans. :)
     
  17. CheezeyBoy22

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    Actually he was. Jameer has been injuried for like a year now. He's starting to pick up his scoring like he did last year. Before Jameer got hurt, he was a big offensive threat for Orlando. Jameer killed the Lakers in regular season play last year before he went down with that shoulder problem.

    Jameer was a scoring PG in college as well. I believe he played for St. Joe's.
     
  18. wekko368

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    In your scenario, who makes the entry pass to Yao?
     
  19. JayGoogle

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    I don't really care for stats actually. But that dude is incredibly inconsistent with his outside shot. His 5.8 apg is not impressive but he's a playmaker first.

    There is no definitive way to play PG, but you can't deny that all of the ones that go to the big game, make first team appearances, are pass first PGs.

    Deron, Paul, Nash, Kidd, Rondo, Billups

    What happens to the guys who decide to be the first option? The Baron Davis? Steve Francis? Marbury?

    You can say the same about QBs...no certain way to play that position...but one way has been proven and delivers, the traditional way.

    I'm not down for how Brooks played last night, not at all. The PG has the ball in his hands, freezing out teammates is just going to make them lazy and stand around and watch. IT MIGHT be a chemistry thing, but it's hard to say after seeing Martin explode like he did then never to get the ball back is troublesome.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    I don't know Tony Parker did ok....

    We have had this discussion ad- nauseum.

    SF, SG, PF - would be responsible for making the entry pass to Yao.

    Just like it was under Rudy T and with Hakeem.

    DD
     

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