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Parsons: Team plays more balanced without Harden

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ind0fo0, Jan 29, 2014.

  1. KlutchQT

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    Not sure how you messed that quote up, but I'm the one who wrote it. But anyway, you're the same person who claims Harden (1) fakes injuries to avoid tough games, (2) is the "laziest player of all time," and (3) "wants to control the offense because he doesn't like his teammates."

    So yeah, I wouldn't expect you to agree. LOL.
     
  2. Voice of Aus

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    It's not plays (unless it's out of bounds sets or getting dwight in hone post)

    Everything else is read and react, it relies on having smart ball handlers and shooters all over the court, it's also effective for the rockets since we push the ball up at a league high rate, running down screens and pics everywhere (or plays as you call it) chews up to much clock and makes our offense way more predictable, right now besides the ISO hardens (which actually arnt that bad) we are completey unpredictable when compared to the majority of the league
     
  3. kingkingston

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    it means run the ball, he wants a quick offence and Harden doesn't play much iso, i think that is a myth, he runs with the best of them

    the key with Houstons offence is defence, they must make stops and steals to get the team running, this how the offence works best
     
  4. Voice of Aus

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    Your forgetting a major positive of ISO ball, which is clock management. down the Strech it allows us to go 3 for 1, 4 for 1 without having to just chuck up some random shot, just let your smartest player work the clock.

    It also is quite effective when you look at the shooting %'s of a normal shot in hone 4th quarter with the game under 5 points vs harden ISO.

    When teams shoot when the game is only the line harden ISO outweighs running a normal play were defences tighten up and the pressure gets to some players.

    I have looked at the numbers and will be making a future thread on it
     
  5. kingkingston

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    that was the point i was getting across, people think they are still on their winning ways without him but they have slowed down abit
     
  6. yunac010

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    Tired of Parsons calling teammates out in public. That doesn't make you a good leader, Bieber. Talk to your teammates behind closed doors.
     
  7. KlutchQT

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    Yes, of course -- as I'm sure we would if we lost Harden for 20+ games. But if you let some people here tell it, managing to win 1 or 2 games in his absence can be extrapolated to mean that we'd be better off without him in the long term. I find that notion ridiculous, that's all.
     
  8. Matthieu

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    out of context imo, he must have been asked what was the difference w/o harden, that's all
    and it's obvious the team plays differently w/o harden, it doesn't mean rockets r better (more enjoyable to watch maybe, but not necessarily better)
     
  9. kingkingston

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    and i agree totally, just look at the Bulls, they are winning without Derek Rose, it doesn't mean they are a better team, it just shows they can adapt to the situation.

    when you think about it, we nearly blew the game today because we didn't have that finisher
     
  10. zoids

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    Nice, finally someone with heart is willing to call out other players who is dragging the team down.

    Haha, is Parson now an official LOF? ROFL

    Just like Rudy Gay, the higher paid in the team (e.g. Raptors) doesn't mean you are the franchise player. Sometime ago DH called out that same teammate for not playing D. Hope that special player will take note and improve if he is staying with the Rockets.
     
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    I'm not sure if ur being serious or funny when talking iso ball. Iso/drive and kick is very,very predictable especially vs high end defenses. Its not like the rockets have a bunch of high end scorers on the squad. Those adelman led kings teams were high scoring,yet the didn't iso. The malone/stockton jazz were high scoring and the didn't even shoot 3s.
     
  12. srrm

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    I was wondering how my name got on that quote.

    I'm not happy that Parsons said it but it was obvious tonight that the ball wasn't stopping as much as it usually does. I know I know, I saw aelliot's post about Harden holding the ball being a myth, but the ball movement changes when he's in.

    Overall, it's partially good that Harden gets in game practice for his iso play as we have and will continue to need it heavily in our close games and the playoffs. It's tough to hit the right balance of ball movement and iso play.
     
  13. cfansnet

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    To be fair, at that time T-Mac was starting to mentally bail on us. Harden of course is still a competitor and we're definitely a better team with him.

    But he's such a good player that he could definitely be amazing as well playing off the ball more often. I just feel that he doesn't really trust any other player and that's why he feels he needs to take over.
     
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    I would like to have heard the question from the reporter so we could have some context instead of just a sentence. I'm certain CP25 didn't just walk up to a reporter and say that.

    What lead up to that statement is as important as the statement if you want to know if Parsons was really dogging Harden.
     
  15. noone

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    I hope this isn't a personal agenda over team thing.
     
  16. Ethernet

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    And people like to call out LOFs? The number of HOF in this one thread is astounding. So much butthurt and getting defensive when one of the members of your own team is TRYING TO MAKE HARDEN A BETTER PLAYER.

    Idiots like klutchqt and kingkingston are delusional dimwits who think harden is the best at everything on the rockets and one of the best players players/superstars in the game, LOL. The dude couldn't even crack the starting 5 on the thunder, haha. His own team in OKC didn't even want him back; what does that tell you about how much he was regarded there?

    For the non-delusional fans who don't overrate harden: he's an excellent scorer but still has the 6th man mentality of trying to do everything himself. When he's in, he's STILL in the mindset of "getting his" because he still thinks, "oh no, when is coach gonna take me out again?!?" and trying to "prove" he belongs as a star. He's got to change that and become the leader of this team. That starts by trusting your teammates.

    My prediction is that instead of responding appropriately and maturely to parson's statements, he's going to dig in even more and "prove" that he belongs with the Durants, Lebrons, etc.

    FYI, the best player on the team is not harden, it's obviously dwight. Not only are his #s incredible, but he changes the game when he's in, both on O and D. I mean, just look at our record this year compared to last.
     
  17. Ethernet

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    The fact of the matter and something harden is too bone-headed to realize is that playing with Lin as a fellow-starter and allowing him to do his thing has the potential to not only improve the team as a whole, but also improve harden's own game. He'll magically start to see driving/passing lanes opening up, and he will be able to conserve energy to play good D that a true superstar needs to, rather than let guys like reddick go for 26, ellis go for 37 on 13/18 shooting on him.
     
  18. Hrock

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    This is what drives me nuts about everyone saying Bev is a better fit. More like Harden handles the rock too much sometimes. He will still be our #1 option, but having Lin on court will open up so many weapons since his court vision is way better than Bev. His defense is decent enough, and Bev's defense is so overrated in this forum.
     
  19. MichaelG281713

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    Stars win championships. They get easy buckets regardless of ball movement.

    I like Harden having that "I'm the man" attitude to go along with his elite abilities. I wish Dwight had a just a tiny bit more of it. IMO, that's why I think they'll be a deadly duo once better role players are brought in. They balance each other out in that sense.

    People forget Harden's young and was a top 3 pick on a team that had KD and Westbrook. Only has one full season as a starter under his belt. The crazy thing is he's going to get much stronger, considering he's already a tank. His mix of strength and craftiness is formula for a long career as an elite SG.
     
  20. JLFan

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    hahaha even dellusional Rockets fans can't ignore this. When your own teammate calls you out saying you iso too much you know you're doing something wrong. It's not even fans like myself this time so what do you have to say? No we need his isos and solo 4th quarter turnovers?
     

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