PER is an excellent measure of offense. It's the same way that you don't only look at a player's OPS in baseball. .800 OPS is fantastic for a plus defensive shortstop, but it's crap for a bad defensive first baseman. Parsons' is a situation where his PER is pretty average (it has been going up lately, though) but he routinely plays good defense on some of the toughest covers on the other team. So, average PER with above average defense = very nice player.
PER doesn't underrate defense. It almost ignores it. The purpose of PER is to give a sense of offensive efficiency, and, although high usages can distort this somewhat, it does a pretty damn good job of that in my book. I don't know why PER is so maligned. I think that of all the advanced stats you can find on basketball-reference.com, it does the best job of summing up offensive ability. Much better than EWA or OffRtng or something more specific like TS%. The only components of PER that can be used to assess defense are steals and defensive rebounds, and even with boards you need to parcel out how many those are opportunities that took away from the other team the chance to get an offensive rebound. I.e. "hard to get" rebounds as opposed to rebounds that would have gone to anyone else on your team if you had not hogged it for yourself. That's why Daryl Morey has proprietary stats, to track true defensive metrics like these. Based on what I've seen, I would say that Parsons' PER is a pretty fair assessment of his offensive game. Because he doesn't shoot many FT's, I would venture to guess that it's his low-ish shooting percentages all across the board (FG%, 3PT%) that depress his efficiency more so than his crappy FT%. He's definitely an above average passer and offensive rebounder for his position though, and that helps him stay near the league average.
PER isn't very maligned... most people understand what it is, and what its purpose is. To combine box score statistics and few more advanced ones into one easy to read stat, which barely measures defensive contribution. DD just has to find his dead hobby horses and beat them at every opportunity.
Y'all are up late worrying about the wrong thing ... The Rockets 2nd round pick is ranked #4 in the rookie rankings! ... Chandler, you're a PERRRRRIFIC player sir! ... Ok lol ... Goodnight
Seriously, people. Can we not derail the thread with worthless beating some random stat? As flamedts pointed out, points scored doesn't measure defense either. Are we going to bash people for pointing out how many points a player scored in a game now? On topic: I'm VERY curious as to how the Rockets brass think about Parsons eventual offense. I remember out of the draft he was suppose to be an all-around white guy who can do a little of everything. A homeless-man T-Mac if you will. So far his defense has really overshadowed that, but I hope he can develop into a well rounded offensive player too.
Here's the Insider Analysis: <tr class= "oddrow" align=left> <td><span><strong>March 01, 2012</strong></span><br /><br /><span><b>March 1:</b> Parsons gets the midseason award for biggest surprise. There are many legit candidates, but none start for a top-10 team that is firmly in good playoff position. One of the reasons the Rockets have been so good after a 3-7 start has been the addition of Parsons into the starting lineup. That a second-round pick is starting for a good team is a bit of a surprise, but beating out All-American lottery pick <a href="http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6462/marcus-morris">Marcus Morris</a> is even more impressive. </span></td> </tr>
Wow - sorry about that, I must have copied/pasted incorrectly... here it is one more time: March 1: Parsons gets the midseason award for biggest surprise. There are many legit candidates, but none start for a top-10 team that is firmly in good playoff position. One of the reasons the Rockets have been so good after a 3-7 start has been the addition of Parsons into the starting lineup. That a second-round pick is starting for a good team is a bit of a surprise, but beating out All-American lottery pick Marcus Morris is even more impressive.
Here is a table of his "last 5 games, per 36-minutes" stats. Its interesting to see how his statistical profile has shifted from a rebounder/hustler type to a more well-rounded, highly efficient offensive player. Spoiler <style type="text/css"> table.tableizer-table {border: 1px solid #CCC; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;} .tableizer-table td {padding: 4px; margin: 3px; border: 1px solid #ccc;} .tableizer-table th {background-color: #B90D0D; color: #FFF; font-weight: bold;} </style> <table class="tableizer-table"> <tr style="background-color: #B90D0D; color: #FFF; font-weight: bold;"><th>Date </th><th>MP</th><th>PTS </th><th>ORB </th><th>TRB </th><th>AST </th><th>STL </th><th>BLK </th><th>TOV </th><th>PF </th><th>GmSc</th><th>2FG%</th><th>3FG%</th><th>FT%</th><th>eFG%</th><th>TS%</th><th>PPP</th></tr> <tr><td>12/29/2011</td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>12/30/2011</td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>12/31/2011</td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>1/3/2012</td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>1/4/2012</td><td>12.2</td><td>17.2</td><td>3.0</td><td>11.8</td><td>1.2</td><td>0.6</td><td>0.0</td><td>3.6</td><td>4.1</td><td>10.5</td><td>53.3%</td><td>44.4%</td><td>33.3%</td><td>58.3%</td><td>57.3%</td><td>0.926</td></tr> <tr><td>1/6/2012</td><td>12.6</td><td>17.2</td><td>2.9</td><td>10.9</td><td>1.1</td><td>1.1</td><td>0.6</td><td>3.4</td><td>5.7</td><td>10.5</td><td>60.0%</td><td>40.0%</td><td>0.0%</td><td>60.0%</td><td>57.0%</td><td>0.928</td></tr> <tr><td>1/7/2012</td><td>15.3</td><td>9.0</td><td>3.3</td><td>9.9</td><td>1.9</td><td>1.9</td><td>0.9</td><td>3.3</td><td>4.7</td><td>6.0</td><td>61.5%</td><td>11.1%</td><td>0.0%</td><td>43.2%</td><td>41.5%</td><td>0.636</td></tr> <tr><td>1/10/2012</td><td>21.5</td><td>13.1</td><td>3.3</td><td>9.4</td><td>1.3</td><td>1.7</td><td>0.7</td><td>2.7</td><td>3.7</td><td>9.4</td><td>60.0%</td><td>23.1%</td><td>0.0%</td><td>51.3%</td><td>50.2%</td><td>0.832</td></tr> <tr><td>1/11/2012</td><td>27.5</td><td>12.3</td><td>3.1</td><td>8.6</td><td>2.1</td><td>2.1</td><td>0.8</td><td>2.1</td><td>3.9</td><td>10.3</td><td>65.5%</td><td>17.6%</td><td>0.0%</td><td>51.1%</td><td>50.1%</td><td>0.856</td></tr> <tr><td>1/13/2012</td><td>29.8</td><td>11.3</td><td>2.7</td><td>7.5</td><td>2.2</td><td>2.7</td><td>1.0</td><td>1.0</td><td>3.1</td><td>11.2</td><td>66.7%</td><td>11.8%</td><td>25.0%</td><td>48.9%</td><td>48.2%</td><td>0.891</td></tr> <tr><td>1/14/2012</td><td>29.4</td><td>11.0</td><td>2.7</td><td>7.8</td><td>2.2</td><td>2.7</td><td>1.0</td><td>1.0</td><td>3.4</td><td>10.9</td><td>57.6%</td><td>14.3%</td><td>50.0%</td><td>46.8%</td><td>47.0%</td><td>0.867</td></tr> <tr><td>1/16/2012</td><td>29.2</td><td>12.6</td><td>2.7</td><td>7.9</td><td>2.5</td><td>2.0</td><td>1.2</td><td>0.5</td><td>3.0</td><td>12.9</td><td>62.9%</td><td>15.4%</td><td>50.0%</td><td>52.1%</td><td>52.2%</td><td>1.002</td></tr> <tr><td>1/17/2012</td><td>29.2</td><td>9.4</td><td>2.5</td><td>7.9</td><td>3.5</td><td>2.2</td><td>1.2</td><td>0.2</td><td>3.0</td><td>11.7</td><td>58.6%</td><td>10.0%</td><td>50.0%</td><td>47.4%</td><td>47.6%</td><td>0.930</td></tr> <tr><td>1/19/2012</td><td>27.6</td><td>8.6</td><td>2.6</td><td>8.6</td><td>2.9</td><td>1.8</td><td>1.0</td><td>0.5</td><td>2.9</td><td>10.4</td><td>50.0%</td><td>25.0%</td><td>50.0%</td><td>47.1%</td><td>47.3%</td><td>0.895</td></tr> <tr><td>1/21/2012</td><td>24.7</td><td>7.9</td><td>2.9</td><td>9.3</td><td>2.6</td><td>1.2</td><td>1.5</td><td>0.9</td><td>3.5</td><td>8.6</td><td>40.9%</td><td>33.3%</td><td> </td><td>43.5%</td><td>43.5%</td><td>0.794</td></tr> <tr><td>1/23/2012</td><td>28.2</td><td>7.2</td><td>2.3</td><td>8.2</td><td>3.3</td><td>1.3</td><td>1.0</td><td>0.5</td><td>3.3</td><td>8.7</td><td>42.1%</td><td>33.3%</td><td> </td><td>45.2%</td><td>45.2%</td><td>0.848</td></tr> <tr><td>1/25/2012</td><td>29.6</td><td>8.8</td><td>1.9</td><td>7.8</td><td>3.4</td><td>1.7</td><td>1.0</td><td>0.5</td><td>2.9</td><td>9.9</td><td>44.0%</td><td>30.8%</td><td>66.7%</td><td>44.7%</td><td>45.8%</td><td>0.871</td></tr> <tr><td>1/27/2012</td><td>27.2</td><td>8.7</td><td>1.9</td><td>7.1</td><td>2.9</td><td>2.1</td><td>1.1</td><td>1.1</td><td>3.2</td><td>8.5</td><td>44.0%</td><td>23.1%</td><td>66.7%</td><td>40.8%</td><td>42.0%</td><td>0.762</td></tr> <tr><td>1/28/2012</td><td>28.0</td><td>7.7</td><td>1.3</td><td>5.9</td><td>2.8</td><td>2.3</td><td>1.0</td><td>0.8</td><td>2.3</td><td>7.9</td><td>42.3%</td><td>18.2%</td><td>66.7%</td><td>37.8%</td><td>39.1%</td><td>0.726</td></tr> <tr><td>1/30/2012</td><td>30.2</td><td>8.1</td><td>1.2</td><td>4.5</td><td>3.1</td><td>2.4</td><td>0.5</td><td>0.5</td><td>2.4</td><td>7.7</td><td>39.4%</td><td>25.0%</td><td>40.0%</td><td>39.0%</td><td>39.4%</td><td>0.752</td></tr> <tr><td>2/1/2012</td><td>26.6</td><td>8.7</td><td>1.1</td><td>4.1</td><td>3.0</td><td>2.4</td><td>0.5</td><td>1.1</td><td>1.9</td><td>7.0</td><td>38.7%</td><td>22.2%</td><td>40.0%</td><td>37.5%</td><td>37.9%</td><td>0.693</td></tr> <tr><td>2/3/2012</td><td>25.0</td><td>7.5</td><td>0.6</td><td>3.5</td><td>1.7</td><td>2.3</td><td>0.3</td><td>1.4</td><td>2.6</td><td>3.9</td><td>35.7%</td><td>25.0%</td><td>0.0%</td><td>36.1%</td><td>35.2%</td><td>0.621</td></tr> <tr><td>2/4/2012</td><td>27.7</td><td>8.6</td><td>1.0</td><td>4.4</td><td>1.8</td><td>1.8</td><td>0.5</td><td>1.0</td><td>2.9</td><td>4.9</td><td>35.3%</td><td>33.3%</td><td>0.0%</td><td>38.4%</td><td>36.9%</td><td>0.677</td></tr> <tr><td>2/6/2012</td><td>25.3</td><td>10.0</td><td>1.1</td><td>4.3</td><td>2.0</td><td>2.0</td><td>1.1</td><td>1.4</td><td>3.7</td><td>6.2</td><td>39.4%</td><td>37.5%</td><td>0.0%</td><td>42.7%</td><td>40.9%</td><td>0.733</td></tr> <tr><td>2/8/2012</td><td>25.1</td><td>9.5</td><td>1.1</td><td>6.3</td><td>2.3</td><td>2.3</td><td>1.4</td><td>1.4</td><td>3.7</td><td>7.6</td><td>43.3%</td><td>25.0%</td><td>25.0%</td><td>42.1%</td><td>41.5%</td><td>0.737</td></tr> <tr><td>2/9/2012</td><td>26.7</td><td>8.9</td><td>1.1</td><td>6.5</td><td>3.0</td><td>1.9</td><td>1.3</td><td>1.1</td><td>3.2</td><td>7.7</td><td>40.6%</td><td>33.3%</td><td>16.7%</td><td>42.1%</td><td>40.6%</td><td>0.739</td></tr> <tr><td>2/12/2012</td><td>25.6</td><td>9.6</td><td>1.4</td><td>5.6</td><td>3.4</td><td>1.7</td><td>1.1</td><td>1.1</td><td>3.7</td><td>7.7</td><td>35.7%</td><td>44.4%</td><td>25.0%</td><td>43.2%</td><td>42.0%</td><td>0.764</td></tr> <tr><td>2/14/2012</td><td>25.6</td><td>9.0</td><td>1.4</td><td>4.8</td><td>3.1</td><td>1.4</td><td>0.8</td><td>1.4</td><td>3.1</td><td>6.8</td><td>36.0%</td><td>44.4%</td><td>33.3%</td><td>44.1%</td><td>43.7%</td><td>0.768</td></tr> <tr><td>2/15/2012</td><td>29.3</td><td>10.8</td><td>1.5</td><td>5.6</td><td>2.9</td><td>1.2</td><td>0.2</td><td>1.7</td><td>2.7</td><td>7.5</td><td>40.6%</td><td>41.7%</td><td>37.5%</td><td>46.6%</td><td>46.3%</td><td>0.807</td></tr> <tr><td>2/17/2012</td><td>31.0</td><td>12.8</td><td>1.9</td><td>4.9</td><td>2.8</td><td>0.7</td><td>0.0</td><td>2.1</td><td>2.8</td><td>7.7</td><td>45.7%</td><td>41.2%</td><td>33.3%</td><td>51.0%</td><td>50.3%</td><td>0.864</td></tr> <tr><td>2/19/2012</td><td>31.6</td><td>13.4</td><td>2.0</td><td>5.0</td><td>2.0</td><td>0.9</td><td>0.0</td><td>2.0</td><td>2.5</td><td>8.6</td><td>50.0%</td><td>38.9%</td><td>50.0%</td><td>52.9%</td><td>53.1%</td><td>0.914</td></tr> <tr><td>2/20/2012</td><td>34.7</td><td>11.8</td><td>1.7</td><td>5.8</td><td>2.3</td><td>1.0</td><td>0.2</td><td>1.9</td><td>1.7</td><td>8.4</td><td>50.0%</td><td>33.3%</td><td>50.0%</td><td>50.0%</td><td>50.3%</td><td>0.868</td></tr> <tr><td>2/22/2012</td><td>33.3</td><td>13.0</td><td>1.3</td><td>5.8</td><td>2.4</td><td>0.9</td><td>0.2</td><td>2.2</td><td>2.2</td><td>9.1</td><td>58.1%</td><td>35.0%</td><td>50.0%</td><td>55.9%</td><td>55.9%</td><td>0.943</td></tr> <tr><td>2/28/2012</td><td>32.6</td><td>11.5</td><td>1.3</td><td>5.3</td><td>2.7</td><td>0.4</td><td>0.2</td><td>1.5</td><td>1.8</td><td>8.4</td><td>58.3%</td><td>33.3%</td><td>50.0%</td><td>54.4%</td><td>54.6%</td><td>0.952</td></tr> <tr><td>2/29/2012</td><td>29.7</td><td>9.2</td><td>1.0</td><td>4.9</td><td>2.4</td><td>1.0</td><td>0.7</td><td>1.7</td><td>1.5</td><td>7.3</td><td>52.9%</td><td>29.4%</td><td>62.5%</td><td>48.5%</td><td>50.6%</td><td>0.854</td></tr> <tr><td>3/2/2012</td><td>28.8</td><td>10.3</td><td>0.8</td><td>4.3</td><td>2.3</td><td>0.8</td><td>1.0</td><td>1.8</td><td>2.5</td><td>6.9</td><td>65.0%</td><td>23.5%</td><td>42.9%</td><td>51.4%</td><td>51.1%</td><td>0.871</td></tr> <tr><td>3/4/2012</td><td>25.3</td><td>12.2</td><td>1.1</td><td>3.1</td><td>2.3</td><td>0.9</td><td>0.9</td><td>1.7</td><td>3.1</td><td>8.8</td><td>77.8%</td><td>28.6%</td><td>37.5%</td><td>62.5%</td><td>60.5%</td><td>1.036</td></tr> <tr><td>3/6/2012</td><td>25.9</td><td>12.0</td><td>1.4</td><td>3.3</td><td>2.2</td><td>0.8</td><td>1.1</td><td>1.1</td><td>3.1</td><td>9.6</td><td>80.0%</td><td>16.7%</td><td>50.0%</td><td>59.4%</td><td>59.1%</td><td>1.064</td></tr> <tr><td>3/7/2012</td><td>27.9</td><td>14.4</td><td>1.5</td><td>3.1</td><td>1.8</td><td>1.5</td><td>1.3</td><td>1.5</td><td>3.1</td><td>12.3</td><td>76.9%</td><td>22.2%</td><td>62.5%</td><td>65.7%</td><td>66.6%</td><td>1.166</td></tr> <tr><td>3/10/2012</td><td>28.9</td><td>17.0</td><td>1.5</td><td>3.7</td><td>3.0</td><td>1.2</td><td>1.0</td><td>1.0</td><td>3.0</td><td>15.5</td><td>77.1%</td><td>28.6%</td><td>57.1%</td><td>71.4%</td><td>70.6%</td><td>1.304</td></tr> <tr><td>3/11/2012</td><td>29.8</td><td>16.2</td><td>1.9</td><td>4.1</td><td>3.4</td><td>1.2</td><td>0.7</td><td>1.2</td><td>2.9</td><td>15.6</td><td>75.8%</td><td>42.9%</td><td>72.7%</td><td>73.8%</td><td>74.7%</td><td>1.344</td></tr> <tr><td>3/13/2012</td><td>33.2</td><td>16.7</td><td>2.0</td><td>5.0</td><td>3.9</td><td>1.1</td><td>0.7</td><td>1.1</td><td>2.6</td><td>16.1</td><td>69.2%</td><td>45.5%</td><td>80.0%</td><td>69.0%</td><td>70.8%</td><td>1.296</td></tr> <tr><td>3/14/2012</td><td>32.9</td><td>16.0</td><td>1.8</td><td>5.5</td><td>5.3</td><td>1.5</td><td>0.7</td><td>1.5</td><td>2.6</td><td>16.6</td><td>66.7%</td><td>55.6%</td><td>75.0%</td><td>69.8%</td><td>70.8%</td><td>1.247</td></tr> <tr><td>3/18/2012</td><td>29.0</td><td>14.4</td><td>2.0</td><td>6.5</td><td>5.7</td><td>1.0</td><td>0.5</td><td>2.0</td><td>3.2</td><td>14.2</td><td>65.7%</td><td>50.0%</td><td>0.0%</td><td>67.4%</td><td>66.1%</td><td>1.118</td></tr> <tr><td>3/20/2012</td><td>29.9</td><td>13.3</td><td>2.2</td><td>6.7</td><td>4.3</td><td>1.2</td><td>0.5</td><td>2.7</td><td>3.6</td><td>11.2</td><td>53.3%</td><td>50.0%</td><td>50.0%</td><td>60.2%</td><td>60.1%</td><td>0.969</td></tr></table>
I agree with this. I use advance stats alot only to backup a point I observed. Stats alone just doesn't give the true picture.
They hate the rockets. There's just no way in hell Gustavo freaking Ayon should beat out Parsons in anything.
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