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Parallels between Nazi Germany and 21st century Islam?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Honey Bear, Jan 17, 2016.

  1. Honey Bear

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    Interesting scene in the latest episode of Todd Margaret.

    Some Nazi punks - aka skinheads - were driving around. First, they come across a white girl asking for directions and stop to help her out. Then her boyfriend, who happens to be black, comes into the scene and they become furious and beat him up. As they drive off, they see a gay couple, and repeat the process. While they're kicking the gays around, a group of Western muslims approaches.

    You'd think the muslims are the next to be attacked, right?

    Wrong. They join in with the skinheads and start kicking the gays.

    It's a tragic, yet accurate depiction of the state of Islam today. Oppression, persecution and intolerance over 13 centuries have led to rapidly deteriorating ideology in much need of reform.


    Moderates, being the weasels they are, love playing the victim but if we take a step back and look at the actions taken by them - as well as the systematic methods of brainwashing on women, the poor, prosecution of non-believers/minorities etc - there is no other country or ideology today that comes closer.

    People are too afraid of being non-PC to grasp this. We're dealing with an emperor's new clothes situation, where a bunch of smaller minds wants to be seen as a bigger man living in a modern country so they ignore the facts. It's this insecurity that has allowed a death cult to become a global problem.
     
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  2. Honey Bear

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    Your daily incident of Islamic hate in the West. (Jan. 16, 2016)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...an-teenagers-Dortmund-said-people-killed.html


    It's become evident muslim parents are afraid to grow a pair and draw a clear line of what is, and isn't acceptable to their children. That would only be necessary if Western standards of humanity aligned with their beliefs.
     
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    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/16/germans-accept-arabs

     
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    Incredible. There are deep, deep ties between Nazi Germany and the Arab World - as well as the Islam we see today. A google search shows a lot of material by verified sources - disturbing, but believable given the inability of Islam to progress today. While Nazi Germany was effectively shutdown and destroyed in 1945 - the Islamic world never had that and harbors much of the same sentiment from that era. That is the danger of dealing with an ideology - as opposed to a country.

    Massive programs of propaganda were launched in the Arab world, first by Fascist Italy and later on by Nazi Germany. The Nazis in particular focused on impacting the new generation of political thinkers and activists.[20]

    http://time.com/4084301/hitler-grand-mufi-1941/
     
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    Sooo.....this is what you got for us at 2 AM, Nomar/Rony etc?

    Friend, the answer to your problems is not at the intersection of a bottle and the "submit new thread" button.

    I speak from experience - trust me - it might be still in the bottle. Keep looking.

    At least you'll have a good time.
     
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  6. Honey Bear

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    I post from a sexier time zone than you - everyone knows this.
     
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    The Honey Bear in his natural habitat.

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    No it isn't primarily for one specific reason. Islam along with any other religion is what I would consider an 'opt-out' ideology while Nazism would be considered an 'opt-in' ideology. 99% of those who practice Islam did not 'opt-in' to Islam. Instead they were born into it. Thus, many Muslims casually practice their faith and invoke their natural human empathy over strict doctrine. Most who adhere to neo-nazi principles usually 'opted in' to the ideology when they became 'politically aware' and are committed to Nazi doctrine.

    This is exactly why Muslim or Christian converts are far more fundamentalist than Muslims or Christians born into the faith.
     
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    You need a friend Ronny. it'd probably be easier if you weren't such a loser though.
     
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    I disagree about those being born into the faith not being as susceptible to fundamentalism. Generational thinking is not in their favor. When a fundamentalist policy, however small it may seem, is all you've known your whole life, it's what you'll cling to when you're feeling a little lost. Well adjusted muslims don't outright condemn fundamentalist policies - a real estate agent I speak with in London (Pakistani) had no issue with the Irani executions in Saudi. Why? He says there's a law of the land in Saudi just like there's a law of the land in England. If Freedom of speech is illegal, then expect to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, no matter how hypocritical it is.

    You won't see that tied consciousness to Nazi Germany from Germans and Austrians today. They willfully decry it and have more than gone out of their way to up their perceived status as humanitarians of the world. Until Islam as an ideology gets the kick in the ass Germany got during WWII, you're not going to see it evolve. Even though the moderates you know don't commit terrorist attacks, when push comes to shove, there moral compass is nowhere near the line you and I see as "healthy". That's why the grey area between moderate and fundamentalist grows with each passing day. It's the equivalent of the few Germans who are holocaust deniers.
     
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    Keep it coming ladies. By projecting your sorry life stories onto me, it tells us a lot more about you, than me . ;)
     
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    Two ideologies led by fear mongering and hush gushing any objective analysis - whether they be moderates or terrorists. The culture of taking the kuran literally is just as prevalent in moderates as terrorists. Addressing this would be the first step to islam coming out of the dark ages.
     
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    Right on cue.


    Muslim male kills 50, injures 53 in Orlando Nightclub shooting


    Ironically, Mr. Sedduqieu Bin Laden, events like this have EVERYTHING to do with religion -- Islam in particular.

    A religion unable to co-exist with modernity, to live and let live.

    A religion of intolerance and prejudice at it's very core - the actions of which we see on a daily basis.
     
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    'Radicalized' is the key term you are missing.
     
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    There absolutely are many parallels. Both are fascist ideologies in which the following elements are similar:

    • supremacist ideology vs. other groups
    • hate against Jews
    • treating women as humans with fewer rights whose primary purpose is breeding
    • hate and murder against homosexuals
    • intolerance in general
    • violence and war are used to promote and spread the ideology

    This list is not exhaustive.
     
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    Not ideologically.

    It's a convenient cop out for moderates every time a terrorist act takes place.

    But they feel the exact same way about homosexuals, women, American imperialism as the cause for all their problems, etc. They slither amongst the shadows so they can earn a living wage, do the bare minimum to fit into society, but the blurry line of radicalism that so many moderates cross into is nowhere close to being defined.

    How many more innocent lives have to be lost for you to accept this.
     
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    There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the World. Most of them are secular.

     
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    90 % of them believe homosexuality is not acceptable.
    Hundreds of millions of them think you should be killed if you no longer want to be a Muslim.
    And so on.
     
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    The most disturbing aspect, and what makes it harder to defend modern day Islam, is muslims have access to secularism but willfully choose not to do so. Brainwashing was prevalent in both societies, but there was never perspective being born in Nazi Germany.

    Western muslim communities I monitor, where they speak candidly, are reacting to this event in the same way they reacted to Charlie Hebdo - a shoulder shrug, followed by the inevitable... they had it coming mumble.

    This is not exclusive to radical Islam at all. It's part of a larger narrative that all Muslims need to address.
     
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    List the secular muslim countries that exist. Should be a ton, right?
     

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