I don't know, to me it looks like tj has had a very bad Labor Day weekend. His ineffectual flailing in multiple threads, trying to put out Palin brush fires, has been extremely amusing. I mean, how disappointed he must be. Just when he was gearing up for the Republican's normal 2 Minute Hate to be stretched over 4 days of exquisite Obamabashing, the Palin fiasco **** blocks him. HATUS INTERUPTUS!
Yeah, we've never heard this before. I think if it actually happens, I'll be more shocked that it actually happened than by whatever horse**** conspiracy you have dreamed up in your mind.
And for the record, I think any radical religous leadership is dangerous, so in that regard Palin is very dangerous, with her radical right leaning views on abortion etc. DD
When I hear the 'one heartbeat away' line, it's literally just repeating the Obama campaign. Is there no capability for independent thought, or just parroting? So let me get this straight: 44 year old VICE President with little experience (albeit more than Obama) or 47 year old PRESIDENT with less experience. PUZZLING LOGIC
This is just sad. Between texxx making an incredibly poor attempt to sway madmax via obama's views on abortion and gay rights to TJ's little salvo of bigotry aimed at DD, those two poor saps are really reaching. I'm with you DD all the way. I have a lot if issues with obama (particularly his FISA vote), but he's light years ahead of McCain and the "4 more years of ****" express.
I have vetted Obama, like his stances as being more in line with mine, therefore I think he is a candidate I can get behind. Do I agree with everything about his candidacy? No, I want to privatize Social security and he doesn't....but overall, I find more in common with him than McCain......and that is enough. DD
what you don't understand is reverend wright was an issue and people still voted for obama. you have failed to understand this point for the last 5 months now. mccain chose his running mate, see the difference
Just because Obama's preacher had some radical thoughts does not meant that Obama shares those thoughts. Obama is exactly what this country needs, a leader who will do the right things and get our country back on course. DD
Actually, go back and study how the race changed after Wright was rolled out. That occurred in early-mid March. Notice how Hillary came ROARING back afterwards. owned Again, Obama is the most un-vetted candidate in political history. Hillary herself said so!
Trader_J, I realize that you pull countless things out of your hat, fling them, and sit back to see what sticks to the wall, but really... do you wear something on your head bigger than one of the Goodyear blimps? How does it hold all that stuff you pull out of it? Remarkable! Mr. Obama wasn't vetted by the Democratic Party because The People vet those running for our highest office. They vet them and express their judgement by how they vote. Back in the days of the "smoke filled rooms," when candidates really were chosen behind the scenes and not in primaries, you would have had a point. That's not how it works today. Barack Obama was vetted by the primary process. If Reverend Wright didn't come out in time to tilt a close race to Hillary Clinton or someone else, when tens of millions of dollars were being spent by Obama's opponents to defeat him, it's just tough. Some might say, "tough luck." We're a democracy, remember? VP's are vetted by the nominees of the respective parties. The nominees are vetted by the primary process. It's not Rockets science. If the People didn't do a thurough vetting and, most telling, the Fourth Estate fell down on the job, it isn't the fault of the Democratic Party. And I'll add this... Obama relationship with Wright, considering Wright's rather radical ideas about a lot of political issues, may have been fair game and may have tilted the primary outcome a different way if it had come out earlier, but I'm looking at it strickly from a political viewpoint. The fact that Obama had this preacher as a "religious mentor" is something I could care less about. I don't give a damn about Barack's religion or lack of it. I'm agnostic. What I care about is how he stands on the issues and whether he can get elected. That's really all I've ever cared about. I don't care about his wife or his religion. I don't care about McCain's wife or his religion. I don't care about Palin's husband or her religion. In every case, I don't care about the religion of the candidates as long as their religious beliefs have no impact on issues I care about. If they do affect the candidates in their stance on the issues and if that belief on their part is going to negatively affect an issue I am for, THEN I care about their religion. Get it? Of course you do. It won't matter because that isn't your interest here.
Deckard, DD pgabs - you guys are looking like complete idiots by responding at all. The point is not what the Cobardador wants it to be - somehow equating Palin and Obama through some warped calculus. The point is that McCain showed a towering lack of judgment and resolve by both caving to the religious right on a candidate he didn't know anything about....and now it is backfiring on him. That should give people pause about what a McCain administration would look like.
more breaking news.... Dude, I CANNOT make this stuff up, ABC is now leading with "October Surprise" consisting of a "likely damaging " report on Palin in the State Trooper investigation that is to be released then. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5702697&page=1 This thing is melting down at warp speed - and the democrats have nothing to do with it.
JUDGMENT? We talkin' 'bout JUDGMENT? JUDGMENT? Sam, what does it say about Obama's judgment when he attended an America-hating racist's church for 20 years? What does it say about Obama's judgment when he uses political favors to acquire a house that he couldn't afford? What does it say about Obama's judgment when he sits on a board of directors with a known terrorist. Again, Sam, you may not be aware of the bombs that are going to drop on Obama. Taking this campaign into the gutter is a choice that Obama does not want to make. Trust me on this one.
I think McCain was caught between a rock and a hard place. He kinda had no choice really. The Republican party is in such disarray because McCain wasn't their ideal candidate. So in order to survive, McCain had to do something radical to please the radicals. Whether he vetted or not, he needed a "WOW" factor that would energize the Conservatives. The real question is if he "Wow" the Independents. So far it doesn't look like it.
I found the end of the second article interesting. Palin's name could have been floated around more seriously prior to her selection as McCain's running mate. She could have been vetted more thoroughly both my the McCain campaign and the media. If some of these issues had come to light a few months ago, before she got the nomination, they wouldn't be having the impact they are now. But if people actually knew about Palin before McCain announced her as his pick, the positive impact of her nomination would have been greatly diminished. Essentially, the McCain campaign was gambling that the WOW factor of her nomination would have a larger impact than any issues that would revealed by intensified media scrutiny.
We don't really know if he's going to do the right thing. He's spent the majority of his life running for office and not tackling BIG issues. Voting present 80% of the time in congress isn't getting the country back on course. Voting for Obama is a leap of faith that I have accepted the majority of the country is ready to do. One thing about the American voting process, is they love rooting for the underdog. It's how Obama got into the spotlight to begin with. He was the underdog that proved everybody wrong. Well, so is McCain. McCain is also the underdog within his own party and with the majority of Americans. I guess we'll see which dog will win this fight.
