It's complicated because you refuse to answer the question. Are you saying I'm not a vegan? If so, you are wrong and you are a dick for calling me a liar. I have been a strict vegan for about 3 months now. Before that, I tried meat a few times over the course of one week. Before that I was a strict vegan for more than 15 years. In other words, strict vegan for 15.4 years minus one horrible week. If that doesn't make me suitably vegan I'd love to meet someone who is. I don't know exactly why you would call me a liar, but I do know that you owe me an apology. I don't know who you are either, but there are a lot of people on this board that know me personally and they could each tell you that (a) I am telling the truth and (b) you are a dick for suggesting otherwise. So what, again, are you calling "BS" on?
Since when was having children a mere inconvenience akin to forgetting your umbrella on a rainy day? Children are a lifetime commitment and only that person involved knows whether they're capable of making that commitment at any given time. How dare you attempt to impose your judgement on those who would be responsible for that lieftime commitment?
What a weird thing to call BS on. But okay, I'm game. I'm calling BS on you being a man. I'm calling BS on you having a penis, in other words. And I'm calling BS on the idea that you are not (a) a pedophile, (b) a Nazi, and (c) Karl Malone. I call BS on all of that. And in the future I will refer to you as our resident pedoNazi ****kicking Jazz All-Star. If you suggest anything to the contrary, I will post hilarious images to the contrary, such as flags that go up and down. That is cool, yes? You love to share kisses of the french variety with John Stockton. So, okay. I think that is sick. But I also respect your freedom to do so. Meanwhile, I maintain that there is no one here that is more "pro life" than I am. And I also maintain that I have never heard a better solution here to reducing abortions here than to bring everything to bear in reducing unwanted pregnancies. I'm hoping to hear from some actual abortion rights opponents on this and not just people who are weirdly obsessed with calling me a liar out of nowhere.
It has nothing to do with righteousness. It's a risk-reward thing. Pure math. I also think I had some smarts. Even being an unchurched youth, I realized that I was more than just a rutting animal. Never having been in one, I could figure out that being in a sexual relationship really, really complicates things.... so I opted out. I'll have to agree-- love my meat. Ah, but not pure with that pro-choice angle. It's not BS. If you make it legal, you have sanctioned, funded and enabled it. Of course there is more. As you said, everybody knows it. Why a woman would choose a back-alley abortion over carrying a baby to term and selling it at adoption has always baffled me. If we legalized pot tomorrow, would there not be an increase in the amount of pot smoked, too? First, think yourself for you are widely mis-representing my position on several things. Why are you so hung up on putting people up on "weird moral high horses?" I have nothing against sex ed and/or condoms. Abstinence is a reality for many and an attainable reality for everyone. I don't really expect you to memorize all of my "positions," but are displaying the same closed-mindedness that you espouse to hate. Perhaps you should ask before you assign? I have no issue with gay adoption... your bad (not you're bad). Nothing is truer than abstinence. Again, you have me (and probably many others) lumped in with your imagined political enemies; I am not a good religious conservative. I've been pro-Life since before I ever darkened the doors of a church as an adult. I remain pro-Gay marriage (by the state). I'm enthusiastically behind Gay adoption. My 22-YO daughter lives with her boyfriend and I have yet to "shun" her. I'm not sure that it would be my first choice for her but I have no criticism of her and I make no effort to "hide" the fact of her choice. Back at you. Actually I suggest adoption. There is no reason for adoption to be such a cumbersome process... except that it keeps a bunch of Democratic voters employed (SORRY COULDN'T HELP MYSELF). Are you lying here or just mis-informed? So disagreement with Batman is hating....
Getting back to this serious topic... I would be considerably more inclined to listen to arguments on this topic from people like IROC it if I knew that he and people who shared his view were committed to reducing unwanted pregnancies in every way possible and also to providing all possible safe, reliable adoption options. But, unless he can tell me I'm wrong about this, I'm pretty sure he isn't. On either front. It doesn't actually bother me that he or other people oppose abortion rights, because I understand and appreciate the ethical argument. In fact, I share it. But I also live in the real world. Which is why I'm pro-choice. I'm persuadable in the other direction, but only if IROC it or anyone else can explain to me what they actually propose to do about this problem. Putting women (including rape victims) in jail for exercising abortion rights is not an answer. Nor is pushing women into alleys with hangers. Especially while wealthy women, including wealthy Christian, Republican, pro-life women, have no problem taking a plane to a safe doctor that will take care of them no matter what the law is here in America. I want to hear some REAL solutions and not just moralizing.
giddyup: I'm sorry for my awkward wording. Only the first sentence was meant to reference you personally. The rest was meant for the general "you" that comprises the vast majority of the religious right. They, by and large, favor abstinence only programs and oppose condoms, sex ed and gay adoption. If you favor condoms, sex ed and gay adoption, I think you ARE part of the solution. Each of those things either helps to reduce unwanted pregnancies or helps to provide homes for children that are born from unwanted pregnancies. I have no beef with any pro-lifer who doesn't stand in the way of providing homes for unwanted children and doesn't stand in the way of doing everything possible to reduce unwanted pregnancies. On the contrary, I have much respect for that. And for you on this issue.
Hey you are the one who is supporting gay marriage, how can you judge? What are you like a Level 3.2A Vegan? Those charts to figure out which animals you can eat for which level are just to complicated.
I don't eat any animals. I don't need a chart. After 15+ years, I know what has animal products in it and what doesn't. But that's BS, right? And yes, I do support gay marriage. Mostly because I just have this problem of supporting equal, civil rights for all Americans. How radical. But not as radical as you. You love the Utah Jazz! You even love to make out with them whenever possible. You licked Greg Ostertag inside his ear! Dude, that is disgusting! And we can't tolerate your Jazz love on this site. This is a Rockets fan site. There are other sites for sickos like you. Please find one. Immediately.
Meanwhile Palin loves to say what she's against but she never says what she's for. What is her plan for reducing abortions? Overturning Roe v. Wade is all well and good, but what happens next? Palin is a radical of the most extreme variety and she is out of touch with America. Poll on how many Americans want to force victims of rape and/or incest to carry their fetuses to term to find out how outside the mainstream she actually is. Obama has a realistic approach to reducing unwanted pregnancies, which is the only realistic approach to reducing abortions. And then there are people like CaseyH who insist on eating one aborted fetus per day, at breakfast. I called him on this once before and he said it wasn't true. But I "call BS." If necessary I will post and image of a flag that says "BS." On the flag itself!
Exactly my point. Make it Pro-Quality of Life then your stance wouldn't appear as bad. Yet to hear a plan for that though. I haven't even heard a bad plan yet. Any plan.
