Palin hits a home run and is a great choice for VP

America has already proven that they would rather vote in a dumbass oil tycoon from Texas than any intelligent liberal. Speaks volumes.

 

Congrats on winning the oxymoron of the day award

OXYMOROWN3D

 

THANKS! whats my prize?

 

The first time America was not allowed to speak.

 

And the second?

 

take your pick. if you don't like these, we can find some more civil liberties being taken away - not hard to do given they're happening every day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act

 

has nothing to do with the second election.

 

I think he was referring to Gore not winning against Bush and not civil liberties.

I was asking Lil Pun what was the second reason for Bush winning if America wasn't allowed to speak.

 

sure. sure. i've got no second reason but for kerry being unelectable. my man was dean in that election. 'byah' is nothing but a word...

 

and i am a self made man from an immigrant low income family. i worked my ass off, got two degrees that i am still paying off (the government gave me a hand up, but i'm paying interest), and i'm using those skills to establish my life here for myself and for my family.

the point is that my parents are happy with their jobs - they were just kept down from achieving the same results as other equally (or lesser) qualified people simply because of some BS social injustices.

it really is that complicated, otherwise millions of people wouldn't have marched on DC, and people wouldn't still be talking about race and gender relations in modern politics. i agree that government shouldn't be hand-feeding people, but i say that the government should be more representative of the common person, not rich white oligarchs, and they should pass laws and regulations accordingly.

 

how were your parents victims of social injustice? because they were immigrants?

rich white people should be LESS represented?

 

Are you saying that you have to believe in God to have a sense of morality? If not, what exactly do you mean by this?

 

I have said before I think Palin gave an excellent speech (politically). She is formidable.

They were mocking the whole idea of community organizing pretty strong. That is it this fuzzy, pie in the sky, waste of time.

Correct. The highlighting of community organization activities has not been brought up in the context of Obama's experience as much as showing his values. It shows someone who has been to the inner city, talked to people in desperate environments, and worked to do something about. It also shows his willingness to give up profit and prestige for something he believes is the right thing (you could say this for one who joins the military or peace corp over more profit/prestige options).

You may not value someone who provides service to poor communities (and not just 1 time a month service, but years on the professional ladder), but I think it speaks to his character, and more importantly to his understanding and connections to some of the most disenfranchised persons in our society (urban poor).

His 6 years as a Ill senator and 4 years in the US senate speak to his political record/policies. His managerial skills can be seen in his campaign, by far the most fiscally and organizationally tight of any candidate (considering the staff changes, near bankruptcies, etc, of seasoned teams "lead" by folks like McCain, Clinton, Biden or Edwards), and in many ways the among the most impressive in history.

Republicans can't have it both ways. If being a senator means nothing for executive preparation, than McCain has nothing. McCain is a military hero and personally courageous, no doubt, but hardly climbed ranks or showed tactical success for someone coming out of the Naval Academy, despite two generations of admirals (probably why he got admitted and graduated). Also McCain's campaign has largely been a mess, and largely he won the Rep primary by attrition and name recognition--usually only getting 40% or so of the vote until it was all but over.

Since McCain has no "executive" experience I suppose one can bring up Palin, but come on, Mayer of a few thousand and Gov of the most isolated and smallest populist state and the one who receives the most amout of federal support per capita. And gov for only 20 months. She may have chopped a few heads and perks, but hardly enough to reshape a government institution. Improvements in education, budgets (without sacrificing public education, health, police, etc) and other things Governors like to take credit for take time.

The truth is none of the 4 candidates have anything close to "executive experience" at all applicable in running an Administration. The only major candidates who even had a dose would be Hillary and Bill R. For that part for any candidate (sans Hillary, who apparently had most of their key Cabinet folks lined up, for better or worse) it is a bit of a leap in the dark. Quite honestly I see more "Executive" in Obama and Palin (from different parts of their resumes) than McCain and Biden--but I admit more of a gut feeling with pretty limited information on how they would really govern something on the scale of the US Exec Branch.

 

my example was that they were victims in the workplace.
my mom's RN degree was in another country - but she took all the US certs here, and passed fine. she has more continuing education credits here than anyone in her unit, yet she's been passed over numerous times for promotion to charge by nurses with american degrees from low-tier colleges and less experience.

my dad's BS-MechE degree was from a top foreign school. he works for a national eng'g firm, but in houston, the culture in the workplace has been to hire junior college flunkies that are related to the boss or group lead, and promote them at a more rapid pace than their work dictates. he was laid off in '98 for giving the group lead's son a poor performance rating on an international project. the son:

1) failed out of his junior college and falsified his degree status
2) couldn't use the CAD software the division used, despite his resume fluff
3) flew to other countries on the company card after the engagement wrapped, billing the expenses through the project and screwing my dad's budget
4) ratted out my dad to the boss for being a "micro-manager"

since then, he was re-hired, and has had numerous performance reviews on which he's been given paltry raises compared to the peer group he was formerly running with... his degree didn't come from a "target academic market". after 20 years of loyalty, he is finally getting a shot at honcho, following a guy who is lame-ducking his way to a retirement package by sleeping on the job and deferring decisions to my dad.

 

well, I don't see how you can be pro-choice because you want to allow a person to have total freedom over their own body, but people can't have freedom over their own business?

nobody forced your parents to put up with bad workplace ethics.

 

Funny all I heard during the DNC was "McCain = BUSH." I never heard much substance at all.


Get ready! Get ready! Get ready! John's bringin' it tomorrow... the American public will finally hear a candidate lay his full plan out there in easy to understand english. He won't talk down to America. He won't come over as a self aggrandizing snob. He will connect. He will make things very clear.

Thursday night is the end of America's puppy love fantasy will Barack... because they will realize he has no plan.

He failed to spell things out enough... when the debates come around, everyone will already know where McCain stands... Barack will seem to be playing catch-up once again.



GET READY

 

that was their main attack line, yes. but i'm sure you didn't sit through obama's speech. he may not go into details about his proposals for what he plans to do as president (um.. might take hours), but he did outline what he would do as president. joe biden did at least mention what issues concern america right now (they're obvious under bush so associating mccain with bush was easy).

you better hope mccain will bring some policies in tomorrow. and i do pray he would. i don't want a blowout this november. the drama is just beginning and who doesn't love drama?

 

we should also have total freedom to seek and gain fair employment.

people can and do have freedom over their own business as owners, but what i'm illustrating is that it is difficult to be a "self-made" person with no workplace government assistance when "bad workplace ethics" are prevalent in several places.

so, bringing it all together - my original statement was that social injustices still exist, and they are the reason it is difficult for some people to be truly "self-made." the people in power, let's say the business owners, create a culture that is difficult to break into and as such, class warfare goes on and on. if you really think that people should be able to "be self made," it seems you'd have to prevent them from getting snuffed out in the beginning of their efforts.

 

I sat and watched every word live and in surround sound.

You don't know me very well.

I watched every single major broadcast hour on the DNC, and then reruns of what I missed... go back and check the thread on it.

I was moved by Ted Kennedy, enjoyed the Clintons, and thought Barack did fine (with what he said), but he left me still in vague-ville... it was a great show, but that's all I got... entertained.


I actually have seen less of the RNC... I have only watched tonight all the way, I caught Law-and-Order Thompson and Lieberman (some live) mostly on replays... missed any of day one completely...

I generally like to hear all of these things... I feel they are very important for my overall understanding of which way our nation is headed... no matter who I vote for.

As I've said before... I nearly voted Clinton in '92... then almost again in '96... I just, morally, couldn't make my self vote for full abortion rights... I would agree that in the case of rape or incest I may see it a possible thing.. but not full rights.

I have, however, recently been having lengthy discussions with my wife about who to vote for this go 'round. While I like the McCain stance on abortion... I'm beginning to wonder if a more holistic approach to "pro-life" should include not supporting war... Then I realize, perhaps the quickest way to end war is to win it, rather than let it come to our shores.

Honestly, I'm still deliberating on this year...

I have until November to decide... and a lot of what I post on here, is intended to be funny -and/or- get responses.

I grow tired of old party line responses, just as much as the next guy... but I like the posters that give me real info, not just "my candidate is better than yours" types.

Sure I do that from time to time... but it's fun. Honestly. It's fun.

Leaning on my upbringing and tradition, I obviously lean to the GOP... but I'm here for the taking. I have been since I turned 18... they just haven't ever convinced me.

And I will say this... I'm not going to vote for a fringe leftist. Ever.