Palestinian State: What to do?

Again, just because the palestinians are light skinned and speak arabic does not mean that they are just another group of arabs who all deserve to be round up into one huge pile and thrown together. Over the years these people have developed an identity, and if THEY THEMSELVES claim that they are a different people than their counterparts who are YOu to tell them that they are the same light skinned fellow who speaks arabic and should be put in one of those countries. You cant just pick up a certain group of people, take them out of their homes and send them to another country. Thats just, well, almost as bad as the Holocost. It may not be the killing of people systematically, but it is an attack straight on a people who were living peacefully in a country, and they are now sent away because it is "HISTORICALLY" no theirs...

And just because the Holocost happened, doesn't give them any more of a right to proceed with this moving around of people to give another group a home. Yes the Holocost was one of the worst times we can recall, and if the UN really wanted to give them a home, why wasnt a part of America carved out, since we pity them O so much even after over what 80 years are over. And especially since Americans are all white, and they can u know just go back to England and we can just put the Jewish people in America, and disperse the Americans back in England/Europe, since thats where they came from, and since they dont reallly have a culture of their own.

Trust me, before the Holocost, Not one Muslim person cared about the Jews lived or worked or had thier lives go on in Palestine. Most Palestinians just want a place to live, and it should be from the country that once belonged to them, not just another Arab state. Your proposal is as insane as putting all the Africans in one country since they are black and they have no culture as YOU can tell, but then again wasn't it you that had never seen a wedding at 3 am, so there definately was no wedding at all, just because YOU never saw one. Or because You never saw a wedding in a desert, there is no freaking way it could have been one. The point is just because you see something one way, doesnt mean its true.
Its this same ideology that the Britishers and other colonizers used to carve up many great nations and make the worse of boundries in Africa, Middle East, and Asia. BUT, Palestine is the first time almost that they wont take it up the Anal hole, and I respect that.

 

I see you share the opinion of most of the arab world by saying that Israel doesn't have the right to exist. This is one of the main reasons there is turmoil over there. Kill the jews, they don't belong there.

Why blame all of the Palestinian problems on Israel? They are led by a corrupt man in Arafat. They were slaughtered by arab nations (see Black September in Jordan and Sabra and Shatilla in Lebanon). And yet, the arab world is only angry at Israel when they refuse to lend a helping hand (except for supplying arms, which is denied by the Oslo accords, and giving money to the families of suicide bombers).

The charge of ethnic clensing by Israel to the Palestinians is baseless and absurd. You should be ashamed of yourself for believing/spreading such propoganda.

Now do I agree with all of Israel's policies? Hell no.

In my opinion, a Palestinian state can't happen until the militant wings of Hamas, Hezbollah, and Islamic Jihad are no longer intact. You can't make peace with someone that wants to kill you for being Jewish (See Daniel Pearl and Nick Berg).

 

This would all be very interesting but for the fact that Israel's been in wanton violation of UN resolutions for some time now. As such, it's our duty to bomb the hell out of them. If the UN doesn't agree with our decision to invade Israel, it will only prove what a bunch of irrelevant p*****s they are. I even heard France and Germany were doing business with Israel. At the very same time they were violating UN resolutions. I also heard France and Germany were against us invading Israel. If you ask me, that alone's reason enough to do it. If anyone here is against us invading Israel, I guess they think we need a permission slip from the UN just to enforce their resolutions.

 

Us invade Israel? hahahaha

thx for the laugh

 

I know it sounds crazy and I really don't want us to do it. Heck, I'm Jewish! But I mean, they're just thumbing their noses at the world by refusing to obey the UN resolutions so I think we just have to!

 

Honestly, what should Israel do then BJ? I'm all for a Palestinian state as long as there isnt a group of them that wants to kill jews in the name of jihad.

I personally don't like Sharon all that much, but he represents what the Israeli people want. They want someone who wont put up with suicide bombings and someone that isn't afraid to strike back.

As far as the UN.. They aren't nicknamed the United Nazis for nothing... They open special sessions to censure Israel for its defensive tactics, yet they stick their thumbs up their butt when arab countries committ attrocities.

 

Like in the Sudan, where Christians and animists are being slaughtered by Muslims? How about East Timor, where the Christian population was being horribly oppressed for years by the majority Muslim Indonesian govt? We just heard crickets. But if the Israelis kill some terrorists, oh no, it is a threat to world peace and just demands an immediate UN resolution. We have the president of Malaysia talking about a Jewish conspiracy to control the world and he is the leader of a "moderate" Islamic society?

If the "Palestinians" were able to live in peace (they are not) in a state composed of the West Bank and Gaza, we could talk. But when have they ever shown the restraint that Israel is always compelled to show? Let me go ahead and answer....never. It reminds me of the NBA, when someone instigates action via an elbow, but it is the retalitory blow that is penalized. The Israelis can not just sit by and let their country be blown up by a bunch of lunatics who see killing unarmed people as a ticket to heaven. I've always prayed to God that instead of Muslim martyrs getting 72 virgins, they are one of 72 virgins for someone else.

 

bamaslammer, you're taking up the banner of animists now?

I am literally speechless.

 

Not once did I say that. Israel can exist all it wants, I just don't believe that they deserved the land they claim as "theirs". Unlike the UN, I'm not interested in removing entire peoples from their lands in favor of another people. I simply advocated making Israel give up some of "their" nation to the oppressed, homeless Palestinians, whose land was taken from them.

Also, I never said that Israel is the cause of all of the Palestinians' problems. I blame the UN action that stripped the Palestinians of their land.

Or maybe you should be ashamed for ignoring it.

 

bama, by most peoples counts, More Civilians and children have been killed or hurt than Terrorists... To me that is not an effective strategy, and the Israelis must change it.

 

What, that I'm defending innocents and their right to worship who they choose. I'm just not fond of people being butchered because they
will not convert to Islam. You should say Bama, that is quite noble of you and move on.

Adeel,
As for Israel's strategy, what should they do then? Just sit and wait for another suicide bomber to appear? You've to got to go after where they live and hunt them down. Kill their leadership. Kill the bombmakers. Let it be known that if you associate with terrorists, your house will be bulldozed and a missile may fly through your window.

 

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Adeel,
As for Israel's strategy, what should they do then? Just sit and wait for another suicide bomber to appear? You've to got to go after where they live and hunt them down. Kill their leadership. Kill the bombmakers. Let it

 

my bad, the post came out all wrong.....

First off they should get out the settlers. Next they should sit down and take orders from the UN, because once they do this, they will have full suppport to go after teh terrorists. Even other Arab countries wont be able to say anything once the UN says that Israel is in no violation of anything.

Plus its not like these terrorists wear red and have a sign saying that they are terrorirsts. It is as hard finding future terrorists as it is pinpointing where the next serial killer in America is coming from, and you cant kill all the suspected people that "MAY" become serial killers, and thier families...

 

You realize of course that Indonesia was an ally of the U.S. while it was slaughtering the people of East Timor. And that it was left wing intellectuals like Noam Chomsky, who took up their cause. Curiously enough, it is this same group that is so outraged by Israel's behavior towards the Palestinians. That is what moral consistency looks like.

 

You left out the village of peaceful Muslims that were slaughtered by Christians using machetes, home made weapons, and colonial era muskets.

Bamma, they were living in relative peace for thousands of years there. They have been living in relative peace in Lebanon for thousands of years as well. In fact let's look at that situation. They are currently occupied by Syria, but since Israel lost that conflict, terrorism from that area against Israel has gone down. There are also many Palestinians who would be living in peace today except that Israeli military, bulldozers, settlers, and to a smaller extent Palestinian terrorists keep turning their homes into rubble.

To say the Palestinians are not able to live in peace is generalizing, not true in regards to history, and solely your opinion with no relation to fact. Until people realize that the actions go both ways there won't peace. It was future cabinet members of Israel, who invaded and occupied Palestinian villages prior to the state of Israel even being formed in 1948. Before they were a country they were occupying Palestinian land.

 

You're absolutely right....Kissinger was heavily involved with Suharto at the time and by many accounts gave the go ahead for a particularly brutal government backed invasion in the 70's

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Kissinger/East_Timor_TOHK.html

 

I don't see them ever getting any support from a Muslim dominated UN. Not going to happen, especially when we have leaders like Malaysia's who talk about the "Jewish conspiracy" and come off sounding like 1930's Nazis. If the Israelis "complied" with all of the UN's edicts, they would cease to exist.

 

Bama:


Are you going to answer my question?

 

In some way, the Jewish people have dwelt in Israel, off and on, since 1,406 BC (approximate). And people think they don't have a legitimate claim to it?