Pakistan to execute Christian mother who verbally insulted Muhammed

No it is not, that post refers to the article that was quoted. You decided to try to be a smartass and twist my words.



You on the other hand, are always wrong.

 

I never said they don't. I said your argument was ridiculous.

Not surprised at all that you feel it is correct to fine the team in this situation. It is an ass backwards thought process that seems to be prevalent amongst Europeans. Tell me, did the Detroit Pistons team get fined for the infamous Pacres-Pistons brawl? I mean, it was the fans that went haywire (even some players).

And I don't think it would have been silly to say that Nazi's are not Germans.

Yes, and for us to ditch our religion to accomplish that goal is not an option.

Funny how you capitalized the word Nazi more often than Islam or Christian.

 

Religion don't change. Its followers do.

 

And you were unable to substantiate your dumb statement, so you preferred to leave it at that.

The brawl was started by the players. If the home team had provided insufficient security, I think it would have been fined. And you are telling me about ass backwards thought processes? I should pull up some of your posts...

Substantiate this dumb statement, please.

You don't have to, believe in what you want to believe, but you should ditch the extremists because they have been taking over your religion.

Come on now...

 

So you are saying that if all Christians from now on were to believe that all Asians need to be killed, the religion has not changed?

Your argument is silly - of course a religion changes over time, and in which direction it moves is partly determined by its followers.

 

Yes. Because there is nothing in Christianity that supports this.

 

Religions that do not change, die off.

DD

 

Let me just quote the attempt by Wikipedia to define "religion":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

When the set of beliefs changes, the religion changes.

Thus, when a certain interpretation (e.g. gender apartheid, hatred of jews) becomes more prevalent among muslims, the religion has already changed in that direction. The original sources might not have changed (with high likelihood they have changed since their original inception), but the religion has changed.

 

It's disgusting to know that you agree with bin Laden's sentiment for 9/11. 'Americans elected people who authorized atrocities overseas, therefore, all Americans are fair game to be targeted'. You somehow believe this to be acceptable. In case you didn't know, collective penalization is banned by international law. No one should be punished for a crime he or she did not commit.

At least now people can see your true colors and what type of actions you support. If anything, you are the extremist on this board.

 

They are both related. Any idea, regardless of how peaceful its message is, can be manipulated and distorted. Lack of education and backwards mentality in a vacuum will inevitably lead to violence. With an ideology like Islam, that process is sped up due to certain passages in the Quran and the Hadith (which other Muslims but not myself also believe in literally).

That Islam (just the Quran in this example) has parts which espouse violence cannot be denied. That strict stipulations are put into place to ensure violence isn't wanton and used by extremists like nowadays is irrelevant, for a substantial number of Muslims are uneducated and ignorant, and like sheep they blindly follow men with hatred in their hearts who may or may not have unjustness done to them.

Women lack education in the region because of centuries-old patriarchal culture under men who have hitched their male chauvinism with religion in spite of the fact that the Quran says men and women are equal.

My sister, mother, and aunts all have bachelor's, master's, and some even doctoral degrees. They are all Muslim and none of them wear the burqa, niqab, or hijab. Because their faith commands them to always pursue education, they don't lack education.

 

Each country may have a different problem, but in Pakistan it's education, jobs, and removal of power of politicians and their wealthy supporters by force that cling to the old ways to maintain their elite culture.

 

dmc89, are you Pakistani-American? Just curious.

 

No, I just lived there for some years when I was young because of my father's work. I read, write, and speak Urdu, and still keep up with the daily affairs of the country because I've several investments over there.

 

I am genuinely impressed by your post and my gut feeling from your description is that if all Muslim families were like yours, there would certainly not be any issues between the Muslim world and the rest of the world.

 

Ummm....several logical leaps in your post, to say the least. No, scrap that...several lies. Where exactly did I say that I believe this to be acceptable, other than in your delusional brain?

You have been making me laugh by your attempts at being a wannabe-lawyer. Tell me, what is your educational background?

I LOLed.

 

When people have things like hope and possessions, they are less likely to become fanatical.

Naysayers will say, "but but but the 9/11 hijackers all came from wealthy families"

They miss the point. It's a matter of self-respect and identity with the larger masses. A people can't feel strong unless they see others like them doing well. When people see others similar to themselves be treated poorly or with a lack of respect / dignity, it usually results in a lot of weird emotions. That is my observation at least.

 

"No, the fans represent the team to some extent".

"So it is correct to fine the team".

I know you love to spew timid and idiotic statements, but to not realize that you do so is simply astonishing.

Oh well, keep on thinking an association fallacy is acceptable in the real world.

Why exactly should a team be penalized for something they did not do? For sucking so bad that the fans got upset and got into a brawl? If that's the case, your parents should be fined excessively for producing such a moron.

And you have been making me laugh with almost every single one of your posts. It's laughable that you even consider yourself intellectual. Tell me, why do you think you are better than everyone else (superiority complex), like a typical Nazi?

Come back when you can answer why people should be punished for things they did not do. Actually never mind, post whatever you want. I know I'll feel like laughing my ass off later.

 

They would have been fined if the home team provided insufficient security? Get out of here. With the magnitude of the brawl it definitely seemed like there was insufficient security. The team would have never been fined in any situation. It doesn't seem like you know what you're talking about anymore.

We don't associate ourselves with the radicals. I do agree that we need to take the religion back from them.

 

Although I disagree with the first half of your post, I agree with the second part. But can you explain what not wearing the hijab has anything to do with your point? I hope you're not insinuating that not wearing the hijab equals better academic results. I have relatives and relatives of friends who wear hijab and have master's and doctorates as well.

 

Oh no, not all. Sorry if that offended you.

In the Quran, there is no specific style of dress to be worn, the main idea being modesty for both men and women. Meaning some of the wannabe gangsters I've seen walking the streets of Karachi in skin-tight jeans and muscle shirts are dressed as 'slutty' as an extremist would consider a woman in the West wearing jeans or, heaven forbid, short shorts

Wearing any of the traditional Arab garments is a matter of personal choice in principle, but in practice - especially in backward countries like Afghanistan or rural Pakistan - it can be a sign of oppression of women. Were the women educated, they know no one can force them to wear anything. Sadly, that isn't the case over there and the result are things like honor killings (one of my servants was badly burned by her own mother-in-law for not wearing a burqa in public).

My comment merely reflected that Muslim women in my family are educated, and that they dress like Westerners. Ours is a family that has assimilated into America's melting pot. Were any of the women to don the headscarf, that is their right and decision, not that of others.