Pakistan to execute Christian mother who verbally insulted Muhammed

That is arguable. I know what you are trying to say, but this is an interesting point to discuss.

What does "come FROM islam" mean?

Come from what the founder of the religion intended to be islam? Maybe, maybe no.

Come from the book that is the basis of islam? There are traces in the book that are used to justify these things. Relatively moderate followers of islam will say "but only because they misinterpret the book", but the fact of the matter is that there are a lot of people who do interpret the book that crazy way...so in a way, their actions come "from islam".

Come from people who identify themselves as followers of islam? Yes, 100 %.

And they not only identify themselves as followers, they are also identified by most other followers as such, even though some denounce their actions. Did you see the guy in the video Mathloom posted that said "even Bin Laden is closer to me than any kufir, because he is also a muslim"?

Since you brought up an analogy - here is another one that (like yours) does not fit 100 % but illustrates a point. If the followers of Lazio Roma (soccer team) constantly scream racist chants, and attack other fans, who do you think gets fined? That's right - the team - the behavior of the followers is an indictment of the team itself, although most certainly the statutes of the team do not explicitly say "let's scream racist chants at the fans of other teams". Who should be embarrassed? Yes, the other Lazio fans, possibly to the point that they stop following the team so that they would not be seen in the same light as those idiots who shame the club.

 

Did you even read the article? The article clearly shows that any nutjob will cite the "blasphemy law" to paint someone as blasphemous, even though the person may have been the most pious person and never even considered committing blasphemy.

The law itself may have everything to do with Islam, but the loose usage in unjust and unfair ways has nothing to do with Islam.

Next time you feel trigger happy, sit back, think about the post, read it again, and then read it again and think about your post then hit submit.

 

What is islam? You cannot say it has "nothing to do with islam"...that is just ridiculously stupid (as most of your posts). The law is about islam. What you are trying to say is that the law is unfairly misinterpreted in its application, and that that is not islam's fault. As I said, this is arguable. When a phenomenon of intolerance, extremism and violence becomes so widespread among the followers of an ideology, at some point you cannot separate it from the ideology anymore. We are not talking about individual outliers or small groups of outliers here, whole countries represent this intolerant and hateful brand of islam.

It's hilarious how a dumb kid thinks he should give advice to others that he should take himself.

 

The underlined part. This is an absolutely ridiculous argument. Not even going to waste my time on it.

The bold part. Your example is exactly the kind of thing that my post was about. It's stupid to blame the team (religion) for what the players (followers) say and do. Whoever came up with that rule is dumb, just like the people who blame Islam for what Muslims do. Or did your point mostly have to do with your last sentence? If you are insinuating that moderate Muslims should feel pressured to abandon Islam just because there are a few crazies who have hijacked the religion and are making us all look bad, then you greatly underestimate us. We aren't going to give in and let the terrorists, or the critics, win.

One more thing. I noticed how you, someone who seems to have an immaculate understanding of the English language, have stopped capitalizing the word Islam. Goes to show how much you disrespect Islam.

 

:grin:

 

Like Christianity during the middle ages?

 

No doubt about it, there is a huge corralation to it, so how do you expedite the process of bringing Islam up to the modern era?

DD

 

So you are claiming that these people do not identify themselves as muslims?

No, the fans represent the team to some extent, just like the followers of a religion represent the religion. So it is correct to fine the team. Look at Germany during the Nazi era: Everyone got punished (bombed) because of the nazis, and it seems like it was the only way to get rid of the Nazis. What you and most other Muslims are doing is to make it easy for yourselves: "Oh, they are not Muslims, because the prophet would not have wanted them to act like that." That is as if Germans had said during the time "Oh, the nazis are not Germans because Germans are not like that." This would obviously have been silly.

The critics "win" when you have weeded out the extremists. Why would you not want that?

I'll make a conscious effort to properly capitalize the names of religions from now on (I think I did not capitalize "christian" any more either). Just as long as you do not expect me to write PBUH after every mention of your prophet...

 

Yes. Christianity overcame the most terrible parts, though. You still have outliers, but less than in Islam.

 

So you agree that Christianity is an ideology of intolerance, extremism, and violence?

 

I agree that it was, at the time of "witch burning" and the Spanish inquisition, and at other times in history.

 

That is part of the issue, anyone can identify with Islam.

As you can clearly see in the article that slandballa posted, both parties were Muslim, but one pretty much wanted the other executed for being sacrilegious. BOTH Identify with Islam. The issue here isn't Islam, rather the lack of education, and the backwards mentality that that region has.

How you fail to understand this is just as mind numbing.

 

And you are claiming that one has nothing to do with the other?

E.g., why do women have a lack of education in that region?

 

I never said the law isn't about Islam, Damn, you are dense.

The issue that SlandBalla posted has nothing to do with Islam.

Its like arguing with a fish.

 

Ummm...

 

Yes, One does not have anything to do with the other.

Eg. If it was about Islam, then all Muslim women would lack education. Not just in that region

 

Again, proven that you are a r****d that can't take any post, sentence, scripture in its entirety. Taking a post out of context probably has a lot to do with your psychological issues.


Read the next line.

 

There was no next line. I quoted your entire post.

 

The Whole post

What you quoted

The Next line

 

I was referring to this post (entire post quoted):

That post was simply wrong.