Pakistan to execute Christian mother who verbally insulted Muhammed

this pisses me off, stop abusing the qur'an and misinterpreting it's message

in elbqra (the cow right?)
it says you will have you're religion and i will have my religion, it preaches tolerance, not murder for being a kfr (disbeliever)

 

its hadith and the tafsirs that have all these extra words added to them, completely changing the meaning of the sura

 

Sura 109
"In the name of God, the compassionate, and the merciful"
Say: "O ye unbelievers! I worship not that ye worship, and ye do not worship what I worship, I shall never worship that which ye worship, neither ye willl worship that which I worship. To you be your religion; to me be mine."

 

Wrong, thats not how it works.

 

That's very nice actually.

 

I thought it was a Kanye verse at first.

 

My point was that Mullah's can't back up this law with any religious text. I really don't know enough about religious laws in hadiths and the Quran to make a judegement on whether I am A-OK with them.

Since you sound like such a nice fella here is a pic of my sister. You can join thedeus and go at it all you want. She's classy like the both of you.

Spoiler

 

Hey look... another ancient text that people are quoting out of context to apply to modern situations hundreds of centuries later!

 

Sura faints.

 

I am ashamed of my fellow humans and their lack of intellect.

I won't quote any scripture, I will quote from a much higher source, the elementary school playground.


"Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words will never hurt you"


DD

 

what do you mean? ive read them myself they add words to the translations

 

yes that's it, thank you

 

How has no one mentioned that a man was alone with a woman in her home, and he nor she had to be stoned to death? That right there tells me everything I need to about how "Islamic law" is being put into practice these days.

 

it's crazy! it goes against so much of what the qur'an preaches

 

Those are translations.

Tafsir is from centuries ago. Ofcourse, there's no reason to believe things weren't added back then lol Just making the distinction.

What a terrible story. What a terrible life to live, and then to have to die from it after tolerating it for so long.

Pakistan needs to spend so much on education, just to reach some semblance of normalness in a generation or two. Right now, those people only have one education inlet, and that's from extremist islamists. They need more doors to information opened.

Truly, my heart goes out to the woman.

 

Nice post, Mathloom. Let me ask you (I believe you have written about this before), do you believe the Quran itself is "infallible"? Everything in it (interpreted correctly) comes directly from god and is the unchangeable truth?

 

He wouldn't be considered a Muslim if he didn't.........

 

It's a sad state of affairs when this incompetent jackass is the Chief Prosecutor in the case.

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I don't like the word infallible. At present, I find the Quran (in complete isolation) to be by far the #1 book to derive morals/ethics from. As of right now, based on my knowledge and understanding, it's perfectly in sync with what my brain understands to be the perfect way of life.

However, that's not to say I wouldn't question it. If the Quran said it's ok to murder people to spread Islam, or if it said that it's ok to murder someone for saying bad things about the Prophet, I would reconsider my position. I wouldn't allow the Quran to over-ride logic. Fortunately, I've not had to let it do so. In this way, it is not infallible to me. You say "interpreted correctly", and I don't believe there is such a thing - you can interpret it however you like after you read it. It means different things to different people.

Ofcourse, my personal interpretation of the Quran is fairly unique and tailored to my own self. I don't expect Islam or Muslims or Sharia to agree with me. I'm not at all driven by the infallibility of the Quran. I'm more driven by discovering whether it makes sense and how it makes sense. Like any other book, nothing stands in the way of me disagreeing with it. I don't HAVE to believe anything, I have a completely free will. Whether I do or not is between me and God.

I imagine that God knows my heart is in the right place, and that my quest is to just become a better person all the time. My greatest fear is that my quest will turn into one where my insecurity about the religion drives my actions in such a way that I am just trying to prove infallibility in the face of valid points against it. I'm just more into myself and don't wish to participate in today's Islam - I just want to learn more and teach if I can.

Some will say to me that my view of ethics can not judge the Quran. To those people I say: I'll take my chances. It's better than murdering a woman for allegedly saying bad things about the Prophet PBUH.

Also, it's important to note that Islamic jurisprudence allows for the drafting of Sharia laws in cases that have no precedence. This drafting is done through Ijmaa3 (consensus of scholars) or Qiyas (comparison with similar cases). Don't be so quick to assume that Islamic jurisprudence does not allow for this execution to take place.

 

As moronic as this guy sounds, at least he admits its pakistani law, not islamic law. Failed State!