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Pakistan to execute Christian mother who verbally insulted Muhammed

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Nov 18, 2010.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    Do you have anything to back up your opinion? Wonder if Saleem Taseer would agree with you that the threat to the power of those running the show is extremely low. To him, the threat was very real.
     
  2. s land balla

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    While the threat of those who run the show losing their power by takeover may be low, the threat of losing their power by being assassinated isn't quite as low.
     
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    While the threat to Salman Taseer was very real, the perceived threat, unfortunately, wasn't real enough. Per Taseer's Twitter:

    "Unimpressed by mullah rightest madrassa demo yesterday: small numbers abusive well organised no general public support"
     
  4. AroundTheWorld

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    Yes, which makes it more strange that ChrisBosh wants to downplay the threat, considering that within a short timeframe, two of the most prominent political figures in Pakistan have been assassinated.
     
  5. s land balla

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    It's also strange that Salman Taseer wanted to downplay the threat.
     
  6. AroundTheWorld

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    Well, I guess he couldn't really say he was scared, could he...
     
  7. s land balla

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    Maybe not, but he said quite the opposite.
     
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    Oh dude you don't understand do you. Everyone in the government is in bed with one another (and they run everything, kill one, another will take his place). They might display hatred against one another in public, but they all party it up in mansions with Diva Vodka flowing out of their a$$es, even the Mullahs. The only rule is, play the double game, Salman Taseer I guess wasn't playing according to the rules. In that country it says a lot when the security guard is the one responsible.

    If the government wanted they could squash the religious threat or at least make a big dent in it, but they don't have the incentive to do so. It's all about the money, it always is.
     
  9. s land balla

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    Here's a YouTube video showing pictures (with idiotic commentary) on Salman Taseer's family.

    Whichever idiot posted this video did so in May 2010, and it's exactly these types of people (those who pry into and judge other people's personal choices) that are aiding in the downfall of Pakistan.

    <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/KdC0leaYc6A?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/KdC0leaYc6A?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>
     
  10. s land balla

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    Pakistan viewpoint: Who is to blame for Taseer's death?

    The killing of Punjab Governor Salman Taseer has been described in the country's media as awful, tragic and "a grim commentary on the state of affairs in Pakistan". Author Mohammed Hanif asks whether a Pakistani culture which fails to challenge extremism is in part to blame.

    When Pakistan's television anchors and newspaper columnists describe Salman Taseer's assassination a tragedy, they are not telling us the whole truth.

    Because many of these very anchors and columnists have stated, in no uncertain terms, that by expressing his reservations about the blasphemy law, Salman Taseer had crossed a line on the other side of which is certain death.

    This death could have come by way of his own guard, or an armed mullah, or a mob or the stroke of a pen in a court. It could break through a governor's security cordon or, as has happened many times before, visit someone in a cramped prison cell.

    The line that Governor Taseer is supposed to have crossed did not get drawn just by the text of a fatwa, or by the orders of Gen Zia who promulgated the blasphemy law as it exists now.

    Religious groups are not the only ones responsible. The op-ed writers whose work reads like bloodcurdling fatwas are also not the only ones to blame.

    It is a line that is drawn across all Pakistanis' hearts.

    Why are we so frightened of non-Muslims who make up less than 2% of this country's population?

    Why are we so fond of killing people in the name of the same Prophet who brought us the message that one murder is the same as the murder of all of humanity?

    By using words like "ghazi" (warrior) and "shaheed" (martyr) for cold-blooded killers, are we trying to tame some ancient fear or placate the jihadi within?

    Why do our TV reporters run to muftis and mullahs for answers to questions about everything from Ramadan moon sightings to causes of the solar eclipse?

    Who has managed to convince us that Dr Aafia Siddiqui, jailed in the US for attempting to kill US military personnel, should be revered as a "daughter of the nation", while another daughter of the nation, the condemned Christian woman Asia Bibi, is to be executed?


    The same Islamabad where Salman Taseer bled to death in the middle of a pretty neighbourhood played host just a couple of weeks ago to a Namoos-e Risalat (Dignity of the Prophet) conference which was attended by individuals whose party manifestos include the death by murder of Shias, Ahmadis, Hindus and Jews?

    Were some of our prominent politicians not in attendance?

    Do these same people not inhabit our government corridors, media organisations and security agencies? Do we not break bread with them at weddings and funerals?

    The line that Mr Taseer crossed exists within all of us.

    And we are so frightened of crossing the line that would render us faithless that we are ready to sacrifice anyone and draw blood to feed our faith.


    What if we do not have the stomach to wield the knife ourselves?

    We can still goad the butchers on from the fences. For those of us who call ourselves liberal Muslims there is always the option of turning away and holding our noses.
     
  11. DaDakota

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    Bully Pulpit....tons of people are in it, because they have to be and are afraid of not being in it.

    It is just like Nazi-ism, just under a different religious based moniker.

    DD
     
  12. Sym0™

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    Frankly I'm sick of seeing ATW continuously undermining the Quran's teachings and the Hadith, saying that all negatively-reflecting occurrences can be backed up by either teachings. Its not just ATW but where ever there is an Anti-Islamic agenda, ATW is there and running is mouth/keyboard.

    I would love for you, to get yourself an English translation of the Quran and read it through. Obviously you probably won't bother but at least it would broaden your perspective and hopefully allow you to see how many things are taken out of context rather then just undermining the whole of Islam due to the actions of a minority. At least don't post snippets of the Quran, taking them out of context, and fueling negativity towards Islam.

    I don't care what religion you grew up with, or even if you are religious at all. I've been taught growing up to respect, rather then tolerate, or slander. To promote the harmony of different cultures. It's ignorant people like you that slow down societies progression to such a state.

    /my first actual rant...
     
  13. AroundTheWorld

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    So your first actual rant is directed at me rather than at those who murder people in the name of your religion? I am the ignorant one that slows down a society, not those who blow people up in the name of your religion? Those who murder people just because they do not want to believe the same things you believe?

    Interesting.
     
  14. Mathloom

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    No one buys this but you btw. For everyone else, a rant against murderers is a foregone conclusion, a moot point, something that doesn't even need to be debated.

    But your behavior wrt these things is an outlier.
     
  15. DaDakota

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    Easier to shoot the messenger than to actually analyze the message.

    DD
     
  16. s land balla

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    Easier to deliver the message than to actually come up with constructive and effective ways to combat the problem.

    SLB
     
  17. DaDakota

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    I am not sure anyone has a good concrete answer for that, other than to terminate the source of the problem.

    DD
     
  18. s land balla

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    I suggest you read these books:

    Three Cups of Tea

    Stones into Schools
     
  19. AroundTheWorld

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    The "brainwash" chip is still firmly implanted in your head.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    Great, now what happens when those schools get taken over and the girls are kicked out and the men start preaching hate?

    That has been the recent history of stuff like that in that region.

    DD
     

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