Pakistan to execute Christian mother who verbally insulted Muhammed

Planned assassination. Knew body guard was a security risk. There are higher powers at work here. This will definitely not end well once an investigation gets rolling.

No true religion justifies murder. Even in war, you must respect you enemy.

 

Called you an islamist, yes, equated with Osama no. Called you stupid and r****ded? Yeah, but anyone who has read any of your posts and is not related to you would agree.

Yeah, I posted some joke picture. Sorry you got your panties in a wad over this.

 

Typical.

 

Do you?

I am not sure I agree with that, If you wipe your enemy out completely it sort of ends the conflict if there are no more left, right?

DD

 

Exactly. I mean, what kind of people are those that cheer on a person who just brutally murdered a brave man from behind? How unbelievably brainwashed are these people?

Hydhypedplaya, what is your opinion about this? I am genuinely interested. You seem to expend a whole lot more energy on posting Hitler pictures and calling people fat than on sharing your personal stance on the actual topic.

Do you think Saleem Taseer deserved to die? Do you think he should not have criticized the blasphemy laws? What do you think about the fact that people celebrate the killer? What is your opinion on these things?

 

You called me an Islamist (despite not even knowing what the word meant when you posted it). Osama is the prime example of an Islamist. Who exactly do you believe you are equating me to when you call me an Islamist? Other Islamists.

Kind of like you when I started equating you with Nazis. Nice job showing CF you're a giant German hypocrite.

 

No, I don't think he deserved to die. He was well within his rights to criticize the blasphemy laws. People celebrating the killer are disgusting and weak minded. No one should support the killing of any innocent person.

inb4 ATW spins this into saying I support the murder.

 

I have friends that are perfectly normal people until they open their mouths and talk about politics. I will call them out on statements that are ignorant and bigoted.

DD's and ATW's views against Islam are nothing compared to most of rural and right wing America. There are tons of Americans who believe that all non-Christians will go to hell and I've had my fair share of people try to convert me.

There is a big difference between calling someone's views ignorant, bigoted, crazy, etc. and attacking a man's profession/physical attributes. Doing the latter takes the discourse from a heated discussion to childsplay.

 

Islamism has been defined as:
“Islam as a modern ideology and a political program”,[8]
“the belief that Islam should guide social and political as well as personal life”,[9]
“the ideology that guides society as a whole and that law must be in conformity with the Islamic sharia”,[10]
“a movement that seeks cultural differentiation from the West and reconnection with the pre-colonial symbolic universe”,[11]
"the organised political trend, owing its modern origin to the founding of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt in 1928, that seeks to solve modern political problems by reference to Muslim texts",[12]
“the whole body of thought which seeks to invest society with Islam which may be integrationist, but may also be traditionalist, reform-minded or even revolutionary”,[12]
“the active assertion and promotion of beliefs, prescriptions, laws or policies that are held to be Islamic in character,”[4]
a movement of "Muslims who draw upon the belief, symbols, and language of Islam to inspire, shape, and animate political activity;" which may contain moderate, tolerant, peaceful activists, and/or those who "preach intolerance and espouse violence."[13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism

Considering the fanaticism with which you post here, I will repeat it:

You are an angry islamist. You fall under several of the above definitions.

Osama Bin Laden is a murderer. I never called you a murderer. But you sure seem to be very zealous, fanatical and angry.

 

Thank you. I applaud this statement.

But how come that of your posts in this thread, so much more of your anger is directed at ATW and DD than at the killer and the people who applauded him? I had to ask you to even get you to say the above, it sure seemed to anger you less than anything I and DD posted.

 

Quote once where I have "preached intolerance" or "espoused violence".

You don't know anything about my Islamic beliefs. You have already shown you understand little to nothing about Islam. How can you place judgment on something you have no understanding of? Is that one reasonable people do?

Nope, just Nazis.

 

Because half the time you both are not even interested in discussing the topic. Instead, you both make asinine statements without checking to see if they are even remotely true. Half the time you aren't discussing the topic, but rather discussing me or some other poster here as if you had some expanded knowledge on every member of CF. You treat anyone who disagrees with you with hostility. Perhaps that's why you have problems engaging in critical discussion.

 

I did not say you fall under all of the various definitions, but definitely under some.

I know what you have posted here. Plus, you say to everyone that they know little to nothing about islam, even to Mathloom. Basically it shows your intolerance - people who do not share your beliefs "know nothing" and you get angry at them.

Again, your anger and intolerance shows - if someone does not share your understanding, in your mind "they have no understanding".

 

I mean in the sense that if you don't respect your enemy, you will underestimate their ability and desire.

 

You just described yourself.

Anyone can see this thread and can see that I have contributed articles, videos and comments on the topic.

Also, I do not agree with the views of people like showtang, but I respect him and do not treat him with hostility.

You, on the other hand, expended a lot of energy on making asinine weight and Nazi comments, but only even commented on the actual topic of the thread when prompted.

 

I feel like we are straying from the discussion revolving around the importance of the assassination and the true danger of those who twist Islam to justify their cruel intentions in life (something both you and hyphypedplaya agree on).

We are looking at a crapstorm if Pakistan, and it's nukes, engages in a civil war with secular v. religious extremists.

 

I tried to bring the discussion back to the actual topic by asking Hydhypedplaya what his opinion on the assassination was - something he had not shared in his many posts in which all his anger was directed at DD and me, rather than at the murderer and the islamist zealots who are behind the murderer.

That reminded me of the video Mathloom posted, where one guy says "Even Osama is closer to me than any kufir - because he is also a muslim". That person also directed all his anger at the "kufirs" rather than at those who murdered in the name of islam.

Sometimes, you can get an idea of where a person stands simply by observing whom they direct their anger at.

Hydhypedplaya is a good example. His priorities in distributing his anger are apparent.

 

You truly don't know anything about that countries politics if you think that a 'civil war' might result in the religious extremists ending up with nukes.

 

http://www.npr.org/2010/12/02/131747259/WikiLeaks-Pakistan-Update?ft=1&f=1003

If Jihadists can infiltrate security enough to assassinate a governor, who's to say that they can't do the same in the military, etc.

I'm not claiming to be any sort of expert or have vast knowledge in Pakistan's politics. I understand that the west propped up these religious groups in the past decades (via madrasas) and turned against them post-9/11.

Pakistan has been churning out youth with jihadist mindsets (Taliban, etc) for a long time now... so to underestimate the capabilities/ties of the extremists would be foolish. We should invest in what Saudi Arabia is doing... rehabing the jihadist and showing them the tolerant side of Islam, something they have never seen.

 

You don't understand the game being played. Essentially you've got people who want to maintain an image of Pakistan being unstable. The real threat of religious extremist in Pakistan is exaggerated to sell to the west. Not saying the risk does not exist, it does. But their threat to the power of those running the show is extremely low.