Pakistan to execute Christian mother who verbally insulted Muhammed

You're not going to convince GlenRice otherwise.

He already has several stories in his head about how Mullahs have treated Iranians, and it is implanted in his head that Islam is bad, and that Muslims are violent and choking his country, essentially that Islam = Mullahs.

In his head he is thinking about the treatment of Christians, Jews, Bahais in Iran over the last few decades, and about how Islam stole the elections.

He probably also longs for the days that the Shah was in power although, like me, he is too young to even know what life was really like back then other than through his friends/family's stories about great nightlife and women's freedom to wear skirts. He will neglect all the issues that the pre-1979 government had and the fact that the PEOPLE overthrew the Shah.

Just a hunch. I have a lot of Iranian friends who don't live in Iran but visit Iran. GR seems to be one of those people who will ultimately end up toasting every glass of alcohol by cussing out Islam and/or the dirty Arabs... if you're Iranian, you know what I mean lol.

 

I'm interested to know how you are aware which parts are when he's younger and which ones when he's older, given that it's not in chronological order.

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/01/04/pakistan.governor.killed/index.html?hpt=T2

Governor of Pakistan's Punjab province shot 26 times by his own body guard.

 

I think DD means you can tell which suras were revealed in Mecca and which in Maedina.

The longer/more legalistic suras which were revealed later appear first in the Quran whereas the shorter/more spiritual suras which were revealed first appear towards the end.

Muhammad was younger in Mecca and older in Medina.

 

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=5853989&postcount=382

 

haha yah i didn't notice till just now, way late

 

Everything you said is true. Because of those mullahs people considere us Arabs. We are not Arabs. We have our own language, traditions, culture and background. We were once a proud country. We were not ashamed to say we
are Iranians. Yes, Mistakes were made but they were living their lives. After the revolution it seemed like the country went through mental depression. They brainwashed kids young as 13 to fight in a war , mothers cried. They shoved religion down our throat instead of food to the poor. They arrest kids with long hair, baggy clothes ect... Just to avoid the real problem this country has. We express our opinions only to get beaten and tortured. All the people there turned against each other. I can't find one citizen in Iran who's happy living there.

 

I grew up next to a family from Iran, I think they were among the privileged during the time of the Shah (doctors, and I think they were close to the Shah). I played football with their son on the street all the time as a kid. They HATED the mullahs even back then. It was very strange to me, though, when the kids started painting "Death to Khomeini" on the street...and painted the whole street with it. It was just a foreign concept for me as a kid to wish death upon someone. But they must have been put through some pretty terrible stuff as a family by the mullahs.

 

http://tribune.com.pk/story/99313/hardline-stance-religious-bloc-condones-murder/

Hardline Stance: Religious bloc condones murder

KARACHI: More than 500 religious scholars belonging to the Barelvi school of thought paid rich tributes to the assassin of Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer on Tuesday and urged ‘Muslims across the country’ to boycott the funeral ceremony.
While the Deoband and Barelvi leaders appear to be on the same page when it comes to condemning the slain Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) leader for terming the blasphemy law as a black law, the Barelvi scholars, who claim to be the ‘true lovers of the Holy Prophet (pbuh)’, have taken a more hardline stance.
The largest body of the Barelvi group, the Jamaate Ahle Sunnat Pakistan (JASP), whose directions are considered binding on every other organisation that follows the same school of thought, issued a statement saying that “No Muslim should attend the funeral or even try to pray for Salmaan Taseer or even express any kind of regret or sympathy over the incident.”
The statement which has been endorsed by senior Barelvi leaders such as Professor Saeed Shah Kazmi, Allama Syed Riaz Hussain Shah, Syed Shah Turabul Haq Qadri and Hajji Mohammad Tayyab calls the assassin Mumtaz Hussain Qadri ‘Ashiqe Rasool Ghaziye Mulk (Lover of the Prophet, Commander of the Country)’.
“We pay rich tributes and salute the bravery, valour and faith of Mumtaz Qadri,” the statement said, adding that the ministers, politicians, ‘so-called’ intellectuals and anchor persons should learn lessons from the governor’s death. The scholars said that those who insult the Holy Prophet (pbuh), even if they did not intend to, were liable for death.
Hajji Mohammad Tayyab, who is also the secretary general of the Sunni Ittehad Council, told The Express Tribune that scholars had “repeatedly urged the president, prime minister and Governor Taseer himself that if their knowledge about the blasphemy law are limited, they should consult them and avoid debating over the issue as it would inflame the people and then anything could happen.”
Shah Turabul Haq Qadri’s son Siraj, also a senior member of the JASP, endorsed the statement and said it was now binding on every Muslim.
Jamiat Ulemae Pakistan (JUP) central executive committee member Maulana Shabbir went as far as saying that in his opinion Salmaan Taseer was ‘Wajubul Qatil’ (must be killed according to divine law). “He had called the divine law of God, a black law and tried to protect a condemned blasphemer,” he said.
Senior Sunni Tehrik leader Shahid Ghauri said although his party was yet to issue any formal statement about the matter, he would support the call of JASP because the people who gave the edict were his elders.
Senior Jamaate Islami leader Farid Paracha distanced his organisation from the JASP statement, but condemned the governor for calling the blasphemy law, a black law. “I believe that this call for changing the law was being done at the behest of the US and other western powers.”
Senior cleric of the Deoband school of thought and Jamia Binoria chief Mufti Naeem said he could not understand why the slain PPP leader invited trouble for himself, especially given that the blasphemy law was passed in 1985 by the parliament unanimously. “He kept on taking Aasia’s name, but I ask why didn’t he ever make a similar plea for Aafia (Siddiqui).” Naeem said although Islam says that anyone who commits blasphemy is liable to death punishment, what the killer Mumtaz Qadri did was totally wrong as he took the law into his hand.
“The blasphemy law was made exactly to prevent such incidents. Else there will be chaos in the country and everyone would kill everyone,” he said. Maulana Asad Thanvi too supported Naeem’s stance and said although what governor Taseer did was condemnable in the strongest words, he should have been tried in the courts.
Allama Abbas Kumaili of the Shia school of thought said the blasphemy law can be misused and there was no doubt about it. “But the way Salmaan Taseer took up the matter was blunt which inflamed the more emotional and ignorant people of our country.”
Published in The Express Tribune, January 5th, 2011.

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Weren't the Barelvi supposed to be "more moderate", relatively speaking?

 

Why the animosity towards Arabs? Isn't it the international community you should be faulting for failing to make this distinction? I hardly think it's true anyway.

You traditions and culture are from another religion started by another man. Big whoop. I've never understood the fascination of sticking with the tradition of a now-defunct religion, while being critical is merging Islamic tradition into Iranian culture. Why do you think Iranian culture doesn't or shouldn't change? What about when Iran opens up and immigrants start moving there, are you going to become the new Europeans? Too proud to change culture? How different is you sticking your culture than Muslims sticking to Arab culture?

These people have control of your country because the people of your country gave them control after the Shah went too far in his elitist ways.

You don't get beaten and tortured for your opinions. You are sitting comfortably across the world. You don't get to complain while waiting it out on the sidelines, all the while people are living it that way every day in Iran.

The current regime is a load of crap, but I can't respect someone who glorifies the last Shah's years and ignoring that the people chose this kind of rule out of greed.

It also doesn't give you a free pass to call Pakistan a piece of **** country. I'm fully aware that your kind of people are hateful towards countries that have emerged or will post-Iranian revolution, and it's disgustingly obvious that it's out of sheer jealousy. This is why you would probably say the same thing about the UAE, Qatar, Saudi, India, etc.

Stop holding on to the freakin past and instead do something positive to support a change in the future of Iran.

 

It's a chant, they probably did't even fully comprehend what was being said.

It started with Marg Bar Amreeka > death to America > which was popularized by the Mullahs during the revolution.

Then those who fled or rebelled against the Mullahs, usually the elitist people of the Shah's time, twisted it around to say Marg Bar Khomeini > Death to Khomeini.

 

I HIGHLY doubt DD knows anything about when any of the Surahs were revealed. He spews his crap on this forum without so much as ever picking up the Quran. I doubt he even read the Wikipedia article on the Quran.

It seems he gets his knowledge about Islam/Muslims from idiots like Ergun Caner.

 

Thank you for clarifying this you've been a big help.

 

What is it with this death culture in the middle east and south Asia? Even children are already taught to say "Death to [Israel/America/....]". All this "wishing death upon someone"...seems to be a lot more prevalent there than in any other places in the world. Is it a coincidence that a certain religion is dominant in these regions?

 

Yeah, it is better to attack the message than to actually acknowledge the truth in the words.

You sir, are what I wish more followers were like.

Maybe, God told me.




DD

 

Umm? Have you turned on the radio in America, Every other song is about killing, rape, revenge, shooting someone.

 

Nah, it's really fat adults who fail at programming and at making Rockets commentary videos.

 

Doesn't the koran say not insult people

 

Let's see if you can back up this statement.

Display some examples of the Quran's message changing from when Muhammad (pbuh) was a "young man" (40 is not that young, except maybe to someone like you who is almost 100) to when he was older.

Or is this task too complicated for a failed game programmer?

 

I dunno, ask ATW or DD. For people who haven't even read one percent of the Qur'an, they sure are this board's foremost authority on it.