Pakistan to execute Christian mother who verbally insulted Muhammed

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And similar atrocities occurred during that period in world history. This is a fact. You're right, people wised (wisened isn't a word ) up. How long did that take though? I think we all can agree that most Muslim countries aren't socio-economically up to standard with the rest of the world. Educationally they are most definitely well below par. Don't you think these two things have a lot to do with why they are still using an outdated form of government?

As an additional point, I find it kind of humorous that you of all people are using another religious institution to prove your point. I thought you were against all equally?

 

I am clearly !

The point was that other churches have done some of the same onerous things, I am not anti Islam as much as I am anti religion in general.

I don't think any of them hold up to serious scrutiny, though people will die typing or trying.

And wizened is a word, I just cant sperlll rearry wele.



DD

 

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I never understood why people who lack the ability to argue something without using middle school level generalizations bother trying to add their two cents to a discussion.

I think with all religion there is the side that is all about forgiveness, mercy, and being a good person. On the other hand, religion in general is responsible for a good chunk of the bull**** in the world.

As far as intolerance goes, I think there is no doubt that traditional Islam is at the biggest fault. To think it is limited to only Islam though is silly. All religion is plagued with this problem.

Islam is by far the most problematic at this point though.

What I am more interested in though is how often the problems of Islam actually manifested in "terroristic" actions before and after 9/11. Was it as big of an issue back then as it is now? All major monotheistic regions seem to have an underlying call to violence in one way or another. There was a reason the crusades happened. However, christianity for the most part has come to terms with its demons.

Before 9/11, was Islam as often controversial as it is now? Aside from the whole Israel/Palestine issue (and events related to it) which has been seemingly going on since the dawn of time (with neither party being better than the other) what events were taking place?

 

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I agree with you there. All are terrible. They're nothing more than glorified cults in most cases.

You're right, wizened is a word, just not in the context you used it in

(i'm channeling my inner swoly :grin: )

 

Wrong wrong wrong.

They are not all the same at this point in history. If you deny that islam is more hypersensitive than others, at least at its fringes - and a religion is only as strong as its weakest link, even though many of you do not understand that - you are delusional.

 

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Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) -- A preliminary investigation shows that a Pakistani Christian woman has been falsely accused of insulting the Prophet Mohammed, a government official said Monday.

"The president asked me to investigate her case and my preliminary findings show she is innocent and the charges against her are baseless," Pakistani Minister for Minority Affairs Shahbaz Bhatti told CNN.

Asia Bibi, who has been jailed for nearly 15 months, was convicted in a Pakistani court earlier this month of breaking the country's controversial blasphemy law, a crime punishable with death or life imprisonment, according to Pakistan's penal code. She was sentenced to death.

Bibi filed a petition for mercy Saturday, and Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari asked Bhatti to investigate the case, Bhatti said.

Bhatti emphasized Monday that he has reached only preliminary conclusions and will submit a final report Wednesday to Zardari's office.

Prosecutors say Bibi, a 45-year-old field worker, insulted the Prophet Mohammed after she got into a heated argument with Muslim co-workers who refused to drink from a bucket of water she had touched.

In a brief news conference at the prison where she's being held, Bibi said Saturday that the allegations against her are lies fabricated by a group of women who don't like her.

"We had some differences and this was their way of taking revenge," she said.

Bibi's death sentence sparked outrage among human rights groups, who condemned Pakistan's blasphemy law as a source of violence and persecution against religious minorities.

 

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Do you actually read what other people write before you go off on your inane tirades? I made the same point when I said "Islam is the most problematic."

Take a step back from the kool-aid. You're not always "right right right" and others aren't always "wrong wrong wrong."

 

Great news, now let's hope they free her and toss the women who falsely accused her in jail for twice as long as she was there.

DD

 

Judging a religion by its extremists, what a wonderful idea!!

 

Sounds like they are twisting the facts of the case now due to the international pressure. The end result for her is hopefully the same (to be set free), but they should repeal that law instead, because that is not an isolated case.

 

so I should have the same feelings towards all Christians like I do the westboro baptist church?

 

Extremist Christians are outliers. Extremist attitudes among Muslims are not.

We even have plenty of that here on the BBS.

When someone says he considers death the appropriate penalty for someone talking bad about his "prophet", that smacks of extremism and intolerance.

It's amazing how so many people aren't even bothered by a statement like that.

 

Just out of curiosity, how many muslim friends do you have? I think it's easy to judge based on a limited amount of experiences, but if you really think muslim extremists are a prominent part of the religion then you're living in a small subset of the population. At the same time, I agree with you. This is a ridiculous case. People shouldn't be judged in a fashion such as this and I hope justice is served for this poor woman and the laws revised.

 

I do consider, for instance,

- believing suicide bombings are justified
- agreeing with Osama Bin Laden's views of the world
- wanting to wipe Israel off the map

as being extremist.





Hamas and Hezbollah DO want to wipe Israel off the map, I can provide plenty of direct proof of that for you, here just two sample quotes:

Judging by the numbers, we are not talking about 1 % of the muslim population here - extremism and agreement with extremist attitudes at least in that region is widespread.

Thank you.

 

ATW - i'm actually encouraged by that 03-09 delta regarding confidence in Bin Laden.

 

That should not be the END result, the false accusers should be tossed into prison.

DD

 

The question is if that means less hate against the West and "infidels" in the Muslim world or just thinking that Bin Laden is not the right guy to lead that hate.

 

geez, i was really trying to find the positive in there, ATW!! :grin:

 

dont take it literally professor. By example, Jesus forgive the people who killed him while.... hmmn. i'm not going there.