[Pain] HUGE, self-inflicted Recession incoming due to Trump/Musk

So you're against bringing manufacturing back to this country

Maybe we can have some of these college graduates pay off their loans on the worthless degrees they got by putting in time working in these manufacturing jobs. Oh that might be too hard of work for them. Even though with technology working in a factory isn't nearly as hard as it uses to be.

 

When will you learn to love God Emperor Trump?

 

LOL

 

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

 

What? You missed the whole point of the story.
Time to read again slowly.

The manufacturers can't fill the jobs. Maybe you and your son can go work in a factory instead of owning your own business, since you think others should happily choose those jobs.

I've never worked in factories, and have nothing against manufacturing in our country. You misinterpreted the whole post, kind of life how Trump and Vance called a lot of those factory workers in Springfield illegal cat and dog eating vermin. It takes a cruel and nasty person to dehumanize people just because they didn't fit that profile of the "types" of workers they want in America. Dehumanizing them as filthy animals is pretty damn racist. They were more than willing to do jobs others didn't want to do.

The whole point of the story was that manufacturers already have a problem getting workers that were American citizens. The manufacturers need a better incentive to recruit workers, and give them the type working atmosphere, benefits, training and college skills they lack or they desire. Then again, maybe factory work isn't the American dream for the youth of today. Maybe a quarter of them doesn't know the difference between a wrench and a pair of pliers, and never will, but they might change that attitude with the right incentive.

 

ok. but you did say that you were fine with completely eliminating the military's entire budget for years/decades/centuries in order to pay for a missile dome over the entire continental united states.

 

1) he did say that he would release his tax return when campaigning in 2016. he never did.

so youre wrong on your first point.

2) he lied about mexico paying for the wall and also lied about completing it and also lied about building parts that were already built.

3) he failed on eliminating obamacare like he promised. maybe if he didnt insult john mccain and POWs he would have gotten it. he also promised that he had a plan to replace it, but after almost 10 years has not provided any kind of plan at all.

4) he campaigned on an infrastructure bill in 2016, but failed to produce anything. biden got one done with bipartisan support in 2021 though.

5) although egg prices have fallen in the last month, they are still at record highs.

6) the stock market is absolutely NOT back where it was pre-tariff.

 

still higher than when Trump 2.0 started some 110 days ago

 

1. He changed his mind, have you ever changed your mind?
2. Renegotiating NAFTA helped pay for the wall. You know this.
3. John McCain and the RINO's failed the voters, You know this, Things would've been different if they would've waited until after McCain died to bring this bill to a vote. Good riddance, no RIP to that RINO.
4. Congress has to bring a bill to the POTUS to sign. You know this
5. True, thanks Biden

If the RINO's would vote like the Dems do in lock step things would be different. Fact is the whole thing needs to be burned to the ground and rebuilt. Hopefully Trump can help get the RINO primaried and new blood wins the primaries. Only then will things change. Tillis/Graham/Cornyn/ McConnell would be great places to start. Collins and Murkowski are Dems running as GOP so I dont expect change to happen there.

 

We have good paying jobs.

Maybe we can get people who dont have good paying jobs better paying jobs in manufacturing. My solution is to have people who owe college debt to work off their debt while in college or after they graduate from college. Or do you think college educated people are too good to work in manufacturing?

 

1) It happens, and it deserves to be criticized when people change their mind in a sketchy direction. Similar to Biden pardoning Hunter. He either lied or changed his mind. But it was the wrong choice for the country.
2) No it didn't
3) RINO is the stupidest thing people say. They are all RINOs because it is the name of a political party, not an ideology. Trump was a RINO in 2016. Technically since his family took over the party, he now isn't a RINO, but simply because he changed the party to fit his ideology.
4) And yet Biden got Congress to bring an infrastructure bill to his desk...
5) Blame Biden for Bad. Credit Trump for Good, even if he just undoes his own Bad.

Yeah, Democrats never go against the party on votes... Joe Manchin & Krysten Sinema totally never existed.

 

There are places for college graduates in manufacturing, in fact many of the positions require college skills. I'm not sure what the deterrent is for college grads or others without college. Ask people who quit working in a factory or manufacturing jobs why they left.

Maybe they don't want to work in an environment that can be dangerous, or where they can be exposed to toxins and chemicals that can affect their health. Even living near manufacturing facilities can be dangerous. Exposure to potentially harmful chemicals or toxins, and becoming sick or getting cancer or dying isn't uncommon, whether it's from to toxic fumes, chemical leaks, accidents or explosions, improper disposal of toxic waste seeping into the ground and water, or years of exposure to it all. Stripping more regulations and requirements that protect the workers, people, and the environment will make certainly make those dangers even worse.

Maybe the pay, work environment, or benefits aren't as good as other jobs they have been offered. Maybe they don't have factories or plants near them, and don't want to relocate. Maybe they don't have the skills needed. Maybe they want to work in a totally different environment. Maybe they did work in factories or manufacturing plants and hated it for some reason. I can speculate, but have no idea. It's like speculating on why more people don't pursue their passions and dreams, give up, and do work that bores them, or work they don't enjoy. It's like asking me why all high school and college grads don't join the military, or don't get jobs doing humanitarian work. Everyone has a story. You have to ask them.

 

youre the one who claimed that he never promised to release his tax returns. instead of acknowledging that you were wrong you are now saying "he changed his mind". again, thats not what you previously claimed dude.

no it did not. also, trump is the one who campaigned on making mexico pay for the wall. you keep going on about "promises made/promises kept". on both your points so far it was a trump promise that he did not keep.

maybe john mccain stopped trump from failing the voters. and again, trump has been promising for 10 YEARS that he has a plan to replace obama care, but in 10 YEARS he has not provided any kind of plan. another example of his failure to keep his promises and get his agenda passed.

biden was able to sign a bill that was passed with bipartisan support. trump is supposed to be the all-time greatest dealmaker, but he failed (again) on one of his campaign promises. so now on all four of your points its shown that trump did not succeed in "promises made/promises kept". he failed.

he also campaigned on arresting and jailing hillary clinton, which he didnt do. so that makes him 0-for-5 on "promises made/promises kept".

do you think trumpers vote "lock step" too or only dems? be careful how you answer because the facts might not back up the argument i suspect you would like to make.

see...you want all republicans to vote "lock step" with trump or they are RINOs who should get primaried. the very thing you accuse the democrats of doing you actually call for trump to do. its pretty incredible to see the level of cognitive dissonance/hypocrisy going on with your post here.

also, youre someone who repeatedly calls for trump/musk/DOGE to "burn the bureaucracy to the ground". now youre calling to burn the "whole thing" to the ground. you also call for a missile dome over the entire united states and want to fund it by eliminating the entire military budget for years/decades/centuries. your proposals are childish, totally unrealistic and show an incredible lack of awareness of how things actually work.

 

I manage the Distribution side of a pharmaceutical mfg for animals, which is regulated the same as human drugs, compared to other industries were small but we have specialized techs who work under Pharmacists to make the product, our techs start out at $15.00-$18.00 which is hardly a livable wage, and they went to school for almost a year. The folks in the warehouse make just about the same. If we paid them a livable wage we would have to charge a hell of a lot more as we have competitors out there under cutting us daily (Chewy etc)

I say that to say this, yes bring mfg home where feasible but it's not realistic that we will make the cheap crappy stuff here. We are a transactional country, hell we (our company) even get our raw goods from all over the world because those drugs are not made here, if they were we could not afford them. People think working in a "factory" or in a MFG environment is this awesome thing from the 50`s where you had a pension, a union, good wages and more..............but in 2025 we are looking to cut every corner to make a profit and stay in business. You can bring anything home, but the bottom line is can you produce it at a price that is competitive, and the end user will buy. If you charge me $10.00 for a widget but your competitor charges $8.00 you lose, Joe sick pack is not going to pay extra just because it's made here, he has bills to pay and if its the same quality you lost a sale.

Thats why the graph does not shock me......sounds like a great idea until you're the one who has to do the work. The USA long ago decided to outsource so many industries, we wanted it cheaper and by gosh we did................now people think you can bring it home and charge out the butt for things that people will find a cheaper alternative. Anyone who says they would be fine with bringing something home and charge twice as much as they are paying now and everyone will be glad to pay just to have it back is kidding themselves

 

Wrong on so many things, Particularly the last thing but carry on, I've wasted too much time here. Enjoy the rest of your evening, I know I'll be enjoying it and hoping Trump keeps up the good work.

 

Maybe they can payback their own LOANS they took out, or maybe they can either starve to death or get a job to payoff their loans and stop the whining grift they're trying to pull on blue collar Americans. Bottom line is there are good jobs out there (I have many friends who do very well working in the plants) if these people dont want these jobs then let them starve. This just in, most people dont get the jobs in the fields they wanted to work in. Example: I wanted to have Todd Calas job or Mel Kiper's job and ended up very happy in the pest control industry. BTW, have you ever had to meet a payroll or had others depending on you to help them make their bills/ feed their families. If not then we come from 2 very different worlds

 

You choose what you want to do, so quit telling others what you want them to do, or how they should live. It's a free country. You aren't the boss of everybody. Everybody has a story. Maybe some are like yours, but most probably arent. You know nothing about why lots of people choose not to or can't work in factories or manufacturing.

 

the only one of us wrong on so many things has been you. furthermore, your proposals to "burn the bureaucracy to the ground"/"burn everything down" and take the entire military budget for years/decades/centuries to build a missile shield over the entire united states are bats*** crazy and nonsensical.

 

I didn't mean to cut the military until after the iron dome is finished. Even then you wouldn't want to cut the entire military. That should be clear.

 

thats not what you said though dude. you said the iron dome would be paid for with cuts to the military budget. thats how you proposed to pay for it. now youre saying you wont cut the military budget till after the iron dome is finished. those two statements are totally at odds with each other.

as we have already discussed, the cost of putting an iron dome over the entire united states is estimated to cost 2,470 trillion dollars. the annual military budget is just under 1 trillion. so in order to do what you want they would have to eliminate the entire military budget for 2,470 years to pay for it.

so explain again where the money to pay for your iron dome is going to come from?